Who are the transgender-identified "colonizers" of LGB subreddits? - A breakdown by subreddit overlap

Movellon · 2020-12-27T10:31:16+00:00

This is not strictly in keeping with the rules of the subreddit but I'm allowing it because I'm really pissed off with Reddit at the moment.

RedEyedWarrior · 2020-12-27T19:12:27+00:00

The gay male community is a bit insular, which seems to be working in our favour. For now. But we still have a bit of an echo chamber culture. r/askgaybros may be against trans supremacy and against the idea of gay men submitting to transgender demands. But most gay men still buy into the lie that you can become the opposite sex and that sex change surgeries and hormones are beneficial. Most gay men still expect you to pretend that a man is a woman if this man thinks he’s a woman, or vice versa. Most gay men are still unaware of how compromised our movement has been.

Anyway, well done. It does not surprise me that there are a lot of people with autism and Aspergers identifying as trans or supporting trans rights, because people with autism or aspergers tend to be more gullible than the general population.

reluctant_commenter · 2020-12-27T18:50:02+00:00

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lovelyspearmint · 2020-12-27T13:23:07+00:00

The autism link doesn't surprise me, but I have an inkling of a feeling that a ton of them are self diagnosed and are in fact dealing narcissistic personality disorder rather than ASD (it's more of an attention seeking thing).

However, if they truly have ASD, then once they've either been convinced that they're trans or they've convinced themselves that they are (the former is usually more common among the more vulnerable part of the ASD community), it is very difficult to dissuade them, especially since ASD and the sensitivities caused by the disorder can cause children and adults to ignore societal gender expectations and be gender non conforming as a result. This can include girls or boys wearing the opposite sex's clothing for comfort/texture reasons, fixating on the opposite sex's usual range of toys/subject, etc.

All of this is mere speculation on my part, but as someone who has (officially diagnosed) ASD and who has been reading up extensively on the subject and following recent developments, it is quite worrying how many gender non conforming ASD kids and adults are being dragged into this bullshit ideology, a phenomenon which could be attributed to people with ASD wanting to belong somewhere, or wanting an explanation for why they feel different.

eddyelric · 2020-12-27T18:03:35+00:00

That's a great resource and I appreciate the effort put into this!

Seahorse · 2020-12-28T00:36:06+00:00

I'm not particularly surprised, transgenderism always appears to be deeply rooted with mental health issues and pathologies.

TRA will tell you that it's because of transphobia, however these pathologies seem to be getting worse.

The FtM thing is absolutely terrifying ticking time bomb, it's happening right before our eyes yet people have no idea. I shudder to think where these women will be in 20 years.

The culpas sub is an absolute mindfuck, what is utterly frightening in that sub is users encouraging others to distance themselves from friends who are clearly concerned.

There is an underlying manipulation to transgenderism (particularly with 'elders') that makes me deeply uncomfortable, like this is a long game to something else.

Constantine · 2020-12-28T01:19:18+00:00

This is interesting and mostly just confirms my suspicions. Thanks for sharing. I didn’t know what the tulpa thing was and kind of wish I still didn’t.

As someone officially diagnosed with ASD, I did want to touch on some of the comments that are popping up here/add some more perspective:

1) I think that u/lovelyspearmint is correct that there’s likely a fair amount of erroneous self-diagnosis going on in the Reddit ASD community. This is something that really frustrates me, but at the same time I kind of have to understand because so many women in particular find it difficult to get an official diagnosis/be taken seriously by the medical community. At the same time, there are a lot of Zoomers who just want to be “special” for whatever reason, and saying they’re trans and/or have ASD both serve that purpose.

2) That said, I think that the evidence indicates that there’s definitely something going on. I forget which study, but it was done in the UK and showed that trans-identifying individuals are more likely to have diagnosed ASD at a frankly alarming rate. Add in the fact that scores of young women on the spectrum likely aren’t actually diagnosed, and the real number is no doubt higher.

3) Now on to potential reasons for this: I think that u/RedEyedWarrior has it partially correct that people on the spectrum tend to be more “gullible,” but the question remains as to why, especially when a fair portion of people with ASD are actually very critical of this ideology like myself. I’m involved with the Reddit ASD community, and whenever this topic comes up, it gets super heated with half the people saying derogatory things about trans people and the other half calling those people Nazis. It’s a real clusterf*ck.

I think this divide is a clash between a few different symptoms of ASD: our propensity for being skeptical of the common view/not caving to social pressure, and our serious mind/body disconnect that tends to make us clumsy/cause sensory issues/issues with sex and sexuality. This plays into the DID/multiple personalities stuff. Those diagnoses amount to psychological bunk, but they do, like transgender ideology, serve to explain away these difficulties in a more straightforward and accessible way than an ASD diagnosis. With ASD, we’re just kind of stuck with these problems. Sure, we can work on them, but that’s really hard work, and we’re never going to be “normal.” These other “conditions” offer a framework for understanding ourselves that puts the onus on others, and on medical interventions, not on ourselves, and may offer some (false) hope for normalcy.

So, our propensity for skepticism ends up clashing with our overwhelming desire to fit in somewhere. Which one wins out depends on the person and their mental state, I suppose. I myself experienced severe gender dysphoria for some time growing up, but realized that was related to ASD, no inherent gender identity (because there is no such thing). If someone had offered me hormones to fix it at thirteen, I would’ve taken them in a second. I’m glad I made it to adulthood/a better place mentally before the world went nuts.

I’m not sure what I hoped to accomplish with this wall of text, but I hope someone finds it interesting. I’m happy to answer any questions if anyone has any.

GConly · 2020-12-27T12:46:24+00:00

Meant kindly:

That is some weapons grade autism there.

This is making my save list.

oyasuminasai50 · 2020-12-27T18:03:15+00:00

Great post!

Q-Continuum-kin · 2020-12-27T18:12:54+00:00

I wonder if it's possible to analyze groups of people subscribed to gay subs with explicitly trans subs vs those not subbed to the trans subs. I'm guessing that both groups subscribe to porn but based on the lists you've made here I bet the porn subs are different.

verystablegenius · 2020-12-27T21:56:33+00:00

WOW. Super interesting and insightful. Thank you for your work. Not surprised. Psychopaths.

CrumpledPostItNote · 2020-12-27T23:33:30+00:00

I stumbled across the Tulpas subreddit a few years ago because they're a fascinating concept steeped in Tibetan buddhism and the occult. And, at the time, the kids there were masturbating to imaginary My Little Ponies.

reluctant_commenter · 2020-12-28T00:11:50+00:00

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Chunkeeguy · 2020-12-28T02:27:17+00:00

Great post. It's a shame there's no sub where narcissists flock together openly so we could see the 90 percent correlation there. Since other Cluster B subs do exist however, it would be interesting to see the cross correlation between the likes of BPD and Bipolar to assorted trans subs.

HelloMomo · 2020-12-28T03:32:25+00:00

Some people have speculated that there may be a significant crossover between people who identify as transgender and people with eating disorders. (I've heard this anecdotally; if anyone wants to share a study about this overlap, happy to add it here.)

Oh yeah, it's huge overlap. I don't have a study link, but it's common knowledge, even trans people will usually acknowledge that it's rampant.

When I was dysphoric when I was 14, the most serious thing I did was try to starve away my period and hips. At the time, I had no idea how common eating disorders were among trans people. I also had this image of anorexia as something that "stupid straight girls did, because they wanted to look like barbie." When I stopped, the 2 main reasons were: 1) the mental fog that comes with of constant low blood sugar, and 2) anorexia felt too feminine to fit with my self-image.

blahblahgcer · 2020-12-28T05:19:53+00:00

It's interesting that you bring up tulpas. My friend group was very into tulpas for about a year (including an incident where an adult was preying on a minor using tulpas, claiming that it was okay because their tulpas were the same age). Nowadays, everybody who was into tulpas is trans. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be going away as quickly as the tulpa phase.

winterwillow · 2020-12-27T14:34:31+00:00

This is really interesting, thank you for the time and effort! Especially the overlaps around the ASD subreddits, which seem to confirm that autism is a factor in females identifying as trans or nonbinary. I would like to add that there's a subreddit for women with aspergers, r/aspergirls with 34K subscribers if you didn't know, maybe you'll find some overlaps there.

Otak · 2020-12-28T03:34:01+00:00

as evidenced by subscription to other subreddits

As explained in https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/, the page doesn't look at subreddit subscriptions (it can not, as reddit does not make that information public). It looks at participation, usernames who post and comment in a subreddit.

deliciousdogfood · 2020-12-28T10:28:06+00:00

tulpas

Of course.

VigorousTaintMassage · 2020-12-28T20:21:42+00:00

It's worth mentioning that TRAs tend to fetishize neurological disorders, rather than actually having them.

I don't believe that most trans-identified people are actually autistic, or even half of them. I've been around several trans-heavy groups and the self proclaimed "autistic" ones generally, conveniently only have the symptoms they find "trendy", like "special interests" (which to them, is just really liking a certain anime or something) or suffering from sensory overload only when they're called out and need an excuse to leave and not acknowledge they did anything wrong. Also, in my experience most people with autism etc don't announce it too freely, and definitely don't spend ages explaining how quirky and special it makes them.

Same goes for DID (which is criticized as not being real anyway.) These people don't actually have "multiple personalities", they just pretend because they think it's quirky and they're detached from reality. I was actually in a "LGBT" discord server where the trans mods were trying to convince people, myself included, to BECOME DID or get "tulpas". And one by one more people would show off their new "multiple personalities." Not because they actually had them, but because of the pressure from the mods, they started roleplaying just so they could feel included.

And there are others, like ADHD, which pisses me off because I actually display symptoms of it (not diagnosed so I can't confirm) and it's not at all fun or "quirky", my every day life is impacted and if I was diagnosed with it (or any other disorder) I certainly wouldn't go to put it in my Twitter bio and talk about how cool it is to be "neurodivergent"

MarkJefferson · 2021-01-03T13:31:24+00:00

This is very thorough. Thank you!

These subs are the way they are now for a reason, and that's why I don't hang around in reddit bi subs. A person just wouldn't fit in well without some delusions or mental issues.

pacsatonifil · 2021-04-15T02:15:22+00:00

This fascinating and exactly what we all suspected

Context

Subreddit topic areas (what I chose and why)

Findings, by topic

Question 1: Do the tulpas ("headmates"/imaginary friends) subreddits overlap with gender identity ideology?

Question 2: Do the autism spectrum disorder (ASD)-related subreddits overlap with gender identity ideology?

Question 3: Do the eating disorder (ED) subreddits overlap with gender identity ideology?

Question 4: Do the porn subreddits overlap with gender identity ideology?

Question 5: Most-popular overlaps of trans subreddits?

Question 6: Just for reference - AL and AGB?

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