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    [–]BiHorror 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    If we're going by historical context (just as we go about TQ+ using queer), those are insults with ableist origin. Dumb used to refer to those who couldn't speak and/or were deaf due to congenital reasons, stupid is based on stupor, idiot is mental/learning disabilities. It's similar to the f-g (used to mean something else before became a slur towards same sex attraction alongside queer). Fool? As far as I know, that isn't ableist and was used for jesters. Although, let's be honest here, I wouldn't be surprised. You got terms like hysterical/hysteria (which some would consider that sexist for justified reasons).

    What I'm talking about is that we (as in the sub) seem to very quick to go after TQ+ and their usage of what could be considered slurs (ex queer, although some would say that has been "reclaimed") when we also allow discriminatory language on here to go free. We compare these people and what they do to those with mental disorders. We also use said mental disorders as insults.

    • short reply: Basically, we're using mental disorders, something people with disabilities have no control over, as negative connotations to describe the behaviors of TQ+.

    [–]hyunnahh 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    personally? i think you're reaching here

    [–]BiHorror 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    For calling out hipocrisy? Either all slurs should be considered bad and not used or all should be considered fair game.

    You might be consider I'm "reaching" because it's normalized (alongside history being not told about it) but just because it's normalized does not make it alright. I would appreciate, as someone who is disabled, if people weren't hypocrites about this bs. Ableism is just as messed up as other discrimination and should be taken action against.

    [–]Q-Continuum-kin 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You are "reaching" because you are using an extremist black and white interpretation of words.

    I don't actually care how you feel about the origins of certain words which used to be legitimate medical terminology for poorly understood conditions.

    Calling someone stupid is in no way an attempt to make fun of a medical condition.

    Additionally, "queer" isn't bad "because it's a slur". The QT+ movement has attached an entire political and pseudo-religious ideology to the word. So it's bad because not only is and was the word used as a slur, but the modern explicit usage of the word carries with it a completely toxic ideology.

    I would rather someone call me queer as a slur than to imply i ascribe to the ideology.