How do we stop the conflation of 'trans' with 'gay' in the eyes of the masses?

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[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Okay but there are actual conspiracy theories that are genuinely ridiculous or actually racist. Like the lizard people, or Jews run the media, or covid conspiracy, new world order. These are all demonstrably wrong. There's a difference b/w getting people to read the news with a critical eye, vs. encouraging them to throw it out and follow any conspiracy youtube channel or 8chan for their "news". That just creates a whole new type of stupidity.

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Jews run the media

These are all demonstrably wrong.

Pick one.

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

You seriously believe Jews run the media? Then you're a racist idiot. But with a username like "pcpmasterrace" you're wearing your prejudice like a badge of honor. Your post history shows Holocaust denial, a fixation on Jewish race, and "Christian truth". Just so it's extremely clear what your views are. Do you deny it?

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You're responding to someone who is not a gender critical Reddit refugee, but rather someone who was on Saidit before the mass Reddit ban. Saidit's primary audience unfortunately is a group of hardcore right-wing, conspiracy theory loving, super racist men. Just look on the front page of Saidit to get a good sampling of the "average" Saidit user. The people who've been forced here from Reddit's gender critical subreddit bans are basically in the minority, forced to an alternative platform that appears to heavily appeal to crackpots.

I think LGBDroptheT being here might lose its credibility by association in the public's eye (unfairly, the only other place to go really would be Ovarit, a more closed community, but still).

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Yeah I know the majority of saidit is far right antisemitism and conspiracy bullshit. I agree that it undermines some of the credibility of this group too. I just felt like the troll needed to be called on his bullshit.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's a very real dilemma; do you allow blatant nonsense to go unrefuted? Or do you risk giving undeserved attention to someone who's a nutjob?

It's a very real problem, and I honestly don't know what's best. When someone claims to be a flat-Earther, does refuting it help more than ignoring it and treating is as clearly absurd? It's so hard to know, and the internet makes it so easy for bad ideas to quickly form and spread.

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That's a really good point. Personally I tend to argue back just b/c that's what I'm used to doing. It's probably stupid in most cases, and doesn't accomplish very much. In person, I tend to be a lot more careful too. But if there is an "audience" listening who I can convince, I think it's sometimes worth it.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Oh I don't think it's stupid at all, the main reason it's important to refute bullshit isn't because you're trying to convince the person spouting it (they probably won't), it's to make sure undecided third parties see that there's real pushback against it. I definitely lean towards the opinion that it's worse to just ignore this sort of thing.

As a reddit refugee I actually didn't realize what Saidit's primary userbase was honestly until I'd clicked on the frontpage one day and was horrified... was worried someone else might not have realized where the vile comments are coming from. :/

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's a very valuable opinion. I think I agree with you. Arguing with actual bigots can feel pointless, but if third parties learn something new, or see that there's pushback it makes it worth it. Like when I see pushback to the woque homophobia I feel less shitty.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Part of the problem is it often feels hopeless because you don't see the results of that pushback; it's a thankless job and you don't always get positive feedback if it gets results... but you do it anyways because you know the alternative would be to ignore it and let it go unchecked. It's also awful because the internet's enabled tons of bad information to flood out rapidly, and it's honestly faster to spew an endless stream of terrible content than it is to find and debunk it all. It's easy to feel overwhelmed.