The tears of the askgaybros transmen will raise sea levels

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[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 20 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

And that's my biggest problem with the whole thing. If a group concludes that pre op trans(wo)men are (wo)men, then that opens up a very steep and very slippery slope. A large, hairy, dad bod-ed man with strong arms is more different from your average "transboi" than most women are different from that transboi, so if someone is attracted to that woman in disguise, there's a significantly higher chance they'll be attracted to other women than the before mentioned man. If gay men who are attracted to daddies and muscle bears are now told they must accept transmen into their dating pool, then what's left to tell them not to sleep with self identified cis women?

What they're doing is blatant conversion therapy in so many ways, and they're only a quarter step away from demanding we be straight

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 20 insightful - 6 fun20 insightful - 5 fun21 insightful - 6 fun -  (4 children)

Yep. The easy response to fauxbians: or simpering actual lesbians: “You say you like a penis on a trans woman, then what makes you sure you’re not into a penis on a man?“ It makes them look absurd.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 16 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

I always find it so absurd when fake lesbians say, "Oh, I like dick, just not when it's attached to a man!"

The misandry and so strong with them and they play it off to get even more oppression points for it

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 12 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

You’re right it is generally rooted in misandry, which is why it’s so bizarre that they feel the need to glorify penis so much in what they try to pass off as lesbian spaces. Like just get a vibrator/dildo and leave us alone.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I can only assume that it's sexual frustration, they want to have sex with men, but refuse to for political reasons, so they find a way to reconcile those two thoughts by having sex with a man they convince themselves isn't a man. I know that sounds sexist on my part, but I can't fathom any other reason for why they glorify dicks on "women" so much while also saying how much they hate men.

I would assume they're just stupid trenders if they called themselves bisexual because they have sex with men and transwomen, but they make it all too explicit how they love chicks with dicks but hate men.

And btw, the dildo argument is what a lot of transmen use to say we should have sex with them, because they "can have any size or shape of penis" with their strapons.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I can only assume that it's sexual frustration, they want to have sex with men, but refuse to for political reasons, so they find a way to reconcile those two thoughts by having sex with a man they convince themselves isn't a man. I know that sounds sexist on my part, but I can't fathom any other reason for why they glorify dicks on "women" so much while also saying how much they hate men. I would assume they're just stupid trenders if they called themselves bisexual because they have sex with men and transwomen, but they make it all too explicit how they love chicks with dicks but hate men.

Thanks for this. I think this is exactly right and adds a puzzle piece to my understanding of wtf is going on. I’ve talked a lot in here about the pipeline of straight women and some bisexual women who get deluded into thinking they’re lesbians in r/LBL so I’ve come to understand how they come to believe they’re lesbians. And you just added why they are just as committed to the delusion as the trans-identified males into believing they are lesbians and that the trans-identified males are real women. I think this is an aspect that a lot of GC/radfem women overlook. Some have a hard time seeing the women as anything other than victims. And many of them are victims in part, most of all the poor trans widows, but there are a lot of women who not only encourage this behavior in men but seek to induce it.

[–]insta 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If a group concludes that pre op trans(wo)men are (wo)men, then that opens up a very steep and very slippery slope.

The vast majority of people's politics and ideas don't go past what you can easily slap on a bumper sticker.

People think "slippery slope" is an entirely dismissible """logical fallacy""" because they cannot think abstractly for a single moment.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The logical fallacy is, "we let the gays marry, now men will be marrying horses!" The fallacy happens where there is no evidence. Unfortunately, that fallacy is so overused that everyone dismisses legitimate examples of slippery slopes without a second thought