DiscussionBeing associated with radical feminism is dragging this movement down.

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[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

GC claims that there no brain sex either. And GC are the ones who are most often called as "TERFs", and LGBDropTheT if associated with anything - it is with TERFs, not with actual extreme radical feminism or extreme anything else.

there does seem to be a biological basis for it

Testosterone is biological too, tho.

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Testosterone is biological too, tho.

Yes, but what I mean is-- testosterone is not the only cause of the difference in average aggressiveness between men and woman. I just mention that because some people treat it like this wonder drug that explains all gender differences. And that is just not true, even though it is an important factor. Several other hormones are also very influential, and other stuff as well. (Sorry it's been months since I looked at this subject.)

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well, just exposure to testosterone during birth and puberty are changing body and everything pretty strongly.

If you mean about transwomen saying about their brains are changed by estrogene, then it is just not actually true. They are mostly acting differently because of lack of testosterone (and it has anti-depressant properties), and their body changes. As far as I am aware, hormones that are affecting brains of women are mostly progesterones (and it is main female hormone, analogue of testosterone, while estrogenes are mostly only about looks and few other things), and they are sedatives as well (that is why when their level is lowering during menstruation, woman can be more angry, as she is feeling uncomfortable, and she is more sensitive with lack of regular sedative hormones). However, transwomen are not taking progesterones at all, and even if they did - their brains are lacking "extra parts" that are responsible for women hormonal levels and they have isntead ones that are responsible for men hormonal levels, so it will not affect their brains much.

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Nah I did not mean estrogen, I was thinking of progesterone.

However, transwomen are not taking progesterones at all

That's true, I never thought about that before. I wonder why. Then again, we are probably spending more time thinking about it than the doctors who prescribe these hormones, unfortunately...

I might dig around later and see if I can find something but I thought there were other non-hormone sources (or not directly from hormone sources). Have to take off for now though.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wonder why.

I think it is because it makes no visual difference in looks. So it is useles or maybe even harmful.

While testosterone is all of the male hormones combined in one. That is why it is much worse for women's body, than estrogen for men's body.

And as far as I know there were actually researches about progesterones, but they were during "oldschool transsexuals era" and not nowadays.