DiscussionBeing associated with radical feminism is dragging this movement down.

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Also the cases of kids who received cross-sex surgery and were raised as the opposite sex, then exhibiting characteristics of their actual sex or wanting to change back to their actual sex. Or young boys who exhibit feminine characteristics even where their parents try to socialise them into being masculine or they get teased for it from their peers.

I'd just add (before you get crucified by GC types) that the differences you describe are more of a bell-curve rather a static representation. Also to throw a curveball in there, apparently women who have ASD have brains that are closer to men's brains than women's (also ASD brains are more different to neurotypical brains than men's are from women's). Not to say that there is any difference though, because there is.

The reason they stick to it is that they are heavily invested in the Marxist viewpoint that all inequality is caused by environment and discrimination. They are heavily anti capitalist and pro socialist.

Yeah this is exactly it. IMO feminist would do way better to acknowledge that inequality is influenced by environment and discrimination but those things aren't everything.

It's a shame because feminist analysis can be really insightful, but the only people using it and the community as so strongly influenced by GC quack and radical feminism that oversteps itself.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

There not brain difference or "brain closer to male or female", there reactions in brains on different situations are similar. Differences not in structure, but in wiring and how it reacts on stimuluses. Female and male brains are mostly identical in their structure and they are different only by parts that are there to control producing and levels of different hormones to have correct body development and body cycles (and transgender/transsexual people are lacking them), plus they are slightly different in size because there more such parts in female brain (as female hormonal levels are much more complex, especially during pregnancy, and there three main hormones, while males have only one), however, grey matter level is the same on average, as female brain is more curvy to fit the difference.

Gay man can be spotted by brain scan as well, and it is same here as well - brain is the same as straight man have, but reactions are very different on same stimulas.

[–]reluctant_commenter 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'd just add (before you get crucified by GC types) that the differences you describe are more of a bell-curve rather a static representation.

Yup, good to call out. And, if I recall correctly-- part of why academics were arguing about this stuff so long, is because some were like "Look at these bell curves! They have so much overlap! There are no gender differences!" and others were like "Uhh, look at the ends of the bell curves-- out of the most aggressive people, 9/10 were men, so there are tons of gender differences" (I just made that number up as an example).

The way the data are presented, is part of what led to these misconceptions in the first place.

[–]GConly 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Also to throw a curveball in there, apparently women who have ASD have brains that are closer to men's brains than women's

Yeah, I'm one. Asperger's runs in my family. I also have PCOS, so I'm kind of an all round testosterone fiend.

kids who received cross sex surgery

Cloacal extrophy. If you are familiar with the papers on it, the older the boys get, the more likely they are to claim a male identity. A lot if the juvenile studies in them are in pretty young kids.

Dave Reimer case too. Money was a monster.

You might be interested to know about the guevedoces. They are male infants that have a juvenile inability to convert testosterone into DHT, so their male genitalia don't appear until puberty. Normal male testosterone exposure in the brain.

They look exactly like little girls, even the parents think they are girls and they raise them as girls. They almost all get spotted as boys before puberty because of their rough and tough play, male playmates etc. They often insist on being treated as boys quite early. Live as normal male adults.

Basically they are solid proof that it's innate.