As a heterosexual GC/Radical Feminist, how can I support the LGB community?

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[–]BEB 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Not to be a jerk at all, because I'm sure you've had your own experiences, but I've never seen a GC feminist say anything of the sort, and I've been lurking on GC spaces for about four years.

Sure, GC feminists get upset when TRAs walk around with barbed-wire covered baseball bats threatening to rape "T*RFs" with them, but even then, I have never seen a GC feminist call for violence in return. Or anything close.

In fact, almost every GC feminist I've read believe that the gender diverse should have full civil rights, they just can't take women's rights.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I've never seen a GC feminist say anything of the sort, and I've been lurking on GC spaces for about four years.

Ok, here's the comment I saw yesterday that said exactly that. The context was a transwoman who committed suicide.

https://saidit.net/s/GenderCritical/comments/62st/a_mantranswoman_commits_suicide_after_botched/nprf

I did not go back to look until just now, and it now looks like, from the votes, that more people are against that sentiment than for it. (When I first saw it, it was just that comment with upvotes.) But that is not the first time I've seen comments along those lines. I could have given you more examples from r/GenderCritical but it no longer exists.

I used to lurk more on r/GenderCritical a few years ago, and to be fair, maybe the community has changed since then. But I saw enough comments like that regularly, from my lurking, that made me decide it was not for me. I do not have the time and energy to spare on a community where a sizable minority is fine with dehumanizing people, even if those people are mentally ill (and sometimes violent themselves) trans people.

[–]BEB 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That's awful and I'm sorry you were subjected to that kind of cruelty and stupidity.

As in any movement, there are lunatics. But I think that the mods on s/gendercritical, and on r/gendercritical try/tried hard to keep it civil and in four or so years of lurking on GC spaces, I have seen almost nothing of those kind of comments, so if you feel like it, please come back.

The Equality Act, currently in the US Senate after having passed the House, would change the legal definition of "sex" to include "gender identity." It would then be impossible to define "homosexual" and "sexual orientation," so women AND gays are going to be screwed.

The Equality Act has full support of every Democrat in the House and Senate and Joe Biden said it's his number one legislative priority. As such, we need all hands on deck to stop the passage of the Equality Act, so please think about rejoining GC spaces and my apologies again.

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thanks for considering my point of view.

As in any movement, there are lunatics.

That's true. But I am still uncertain as to whether these are really fringe points of view in GC (and by that I mean the community, not necessarily the beliefs).

Yeah, the "Equality Act" is messed up. I get it, sometimes you have to suck it up and work towards something bigger. But I did not say I wrote off GC entirely-- I'm saying, that's why I have stayed away from it so far and that is one way that GC is affecting LGB, which is what OP asked about. What I described is a pattern I've seen consistently, although maybe they just need more people to report those kinds of comments. I will continue at my same rate of lurking. I'm happy to be pleasantly surprised, that has just not been what I've seen so far.

[–]BEB 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Got it and I'm sorry about what you've experienced.

I just ignore the bitter gatekeepers in the feminist movement - they're the same type that chased off women from the feminist movement in the 1970s. And then I try to connect with the ones who are simpatico and who are doing concrete things, because they tend to be fun and funny. I hope you encounter that type of feminist soon, there are many of them! Hope to see you around.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I just ignore the bitter gatekeepers in the feminist movement - they're the same type that chased off women from the feminist movement in the 1970s.

Yeah, I hear you. I know there's been some of this around for a while, it's not something unique to today. Quite frankly I haven't had the energy to really consider how I feel about feminism, my views have changed a lot since the last time I have. We'll see. Thank you. :) Hope to see you more around too regardless.