LifestyleHad a phone date with a new guy ruined over trans rights when neither of us are even trans

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[–]AddledCorpse 39 insightful - 2 fun39 insightful - 1 fun40 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

Lol. It's the slippery slope conservatives were talking about - 15 years ago. Happening right before our eyes.

Time for the gay community to stop defaulting to progressivism, just cuz they think they ought to. Like black people defaulting to the Democrats.

Modern leftism is a totalitarian/authoritarian plague.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 25 insightful - 10 fun25 insightful - 9 fun26 insightful - 10 fun -  (12 children)

Oh, and the Right never suffers from totalitarian/authoritarian impulses. Just freedom and democracy - a clean record.

[–][deleted] 20 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Lol. The left is basically using the right playbook right now, don’t feel good, does it righties? Extremists are extreme, water is wet. I don’t think these people remember how much “god hates fags.” Where do they think extreme activism comes from? I laugh when I see blame being placed in false dichotomy haha

Right wingers said gay men deserved to die from damn aids and did fuck all to stop it. How can you blame gays for liberal views after all that? It was a very logical outcome.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Here here. For what it's worth, despite how they self identify, I don't see trans as part of the Left. I see them as a Trojan horse of gender stereotypes from yesteryear, and a reaction against women's and gay liberation. (Actually, many of them openly identify as conservative).

[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Trans people are by and large quite regressive. And a lot come from very religious or homophobic families. Many served in the military. So blaming progressives is not really useful if we want to figure out how to live in this world. Transgender is actually the opposite result lesbians and gays wanted. We wanted to be okay not fitting gender roles that go with our sex, not to BECOME gender roles. Lol.

I think lots of trans people are straight people who don’t fit in trying to find somewhere to go, which is sad

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Remember "The Gendercator"?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Lol, no, what’s that?

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

"Synopsis: The Gendercator is a satirical take on surgical body modification and gender. The story uses the “Rip Van Winkle” mode l to extrapolate from the feminist 70s to a frightening 2048 where politics and technology have conspired to mandate two gender “choices”: Macho male or Barbie babe. In this dystopian future, those whose gender presentation does not comply will be GENDERCATED.

Distinctions: The Gendercator is the only film ever accepted, programmed and then cancelled from San Francisco’s Frameline Film Festival in 31 yearsdue to an email campaign consisting of 130 identical emails."

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lol, wow. Gender identity lovers sure don’t know how to take a joke. Lololol Imagine if our gay asses couldn’t handle some shitty jokes? These people need to buck up because they are not going to survive this world if they are that easy to trigger.

They also hate drag because they don’t get that either. I’m not a huge fan of drag, myself, but I get that it’s supposed to be funny and entertaining and if we can’t laugh at stereotypes we are screwed

[–]FrenchiePup 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

No, the left goes a lot farther than using the right's playbook.

Refusing to engage in a debate and preventing the other side from expressing their opinion is far beyond what this society ever experienced in term of assault on free speech.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have some thoughts that are just my thoughts on shutting down debate, I’m not a trained person.

The reason there is no debate is because what they want is so completely illogical that they can’t actually debate it in any real way, in terms of gender identity anyway. I think a lot of the prevention of speech is due to social media, which ironically allows each person a voice that they use for groupthink. Also I think a lot of the gender identity people quite literally have nervous systems that are in fight or flight a lot, and it’s hard to think and speak from that emotional space. I wouldn’t be able to debate if I always felt personally attacked either. “Triggered.” We laugh about being “triggered” but it’s a really miserable thing to go through and these people should have been helped with calming that nervous system response before they were given the okay to trans anything. Also, many people yelling at other people in these arguments are quite young and inexperienced in living in the world.

In the last 20-30 years the way we communicate has radically changed. With social media platforms like twitter and Facebook, but especially twitter, people are engaging in instant and ceaseless attacks on individuals or their workplaces, organizations etc. We are not used to handling personal disruption at that level. In our entire history as a species we have never had the power to connect this many individuals into the same network at once, with pictures, videos, words, but we have also never been so alone and touch-starved.

People are grouping together to feel a part of something, especially people who have lacked a voice in the mainstream for the last century. It’s like separate ideological groups have literally become Borg cubes. Lol. It’s actually really interesting despite it being so horrible. I don’t remember right wingers being particularly openly to free speech that was not their own typical opinions, and if the major media companies were owned by right wingers we would be seeing the same shutdown of debate from them.

[–]FrenchiePup 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Which is why I am not on Twitter, besides an inactive account so I can read posts without being bothered to create an account after a few clicks.

My Facebook is dead as well, just as Facebook.

Reddit was fun until the screeching minority decided to trash it.

But I think a large portion of the left has gone totally bonkers with their obsession to counter Trumps whatever he does, good or bad, and same with his supporters. I'm at the point where I had to completely sealed myself off of their insanity. To the point that right wingers look like sane and balanced people to me, now.

[–]fuck_reddit 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think what we should learn from the tendencies of the right and left in power over the past two decades is that power corrupts anyone, and we should instead hesitate to give anyone more power. Both sides have exhibited the same characteristics when they come into cultural/political power.

[–]notdelusionalbased faggot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OP is clearly not suggesting the adoption of extreme exceptions.

[–]quickbeam 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I hate that this shit gets conflated with the left. I would say if someone voted for Elizabeth Warren there's a decent chance they are a "woke" leftist (despite the whole native appropriation thing which was somehow okay). If a left wing person voted for Bernie Sanders, however, there's probably a 75% chance or higher that the woke thing is an afterthought and they mainly care about things like universal healthcare, climate change and raising the minimum wage. I can understand how people get this woke. A lot of them are only half paying attention or TRA stuff doesn't affect them and they just want to do the right thing. And some of them are the same types who used to show up at a protest with a totally irrelevant sign for a fringe cause. So it's not the whole left, by a long shot.

[–]metta78 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Actually, yeah, I never thought about it, but I'd say most of the Warren people I knew were totally cultural leftists, and I think that's why they hated a lot of the Bernie supporters because their progressivism was situated in shifting the economic system to work for more people. I think the latter would support equality for all people (which is why you'd might see them on the same political team) but the cultural leftists wanted to get in the weeds of the intersectionalities of the most marginalized, and really, to be frank, use identity politics to leverage power - which, as we've seen, is something radical, nationalist politics use as well - vs hey let's do something to lift up everyone. It's no wonder these cultural leftists have the same stink of authoritarian tactics and regressive ideas on them.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Honestly, what happened to just wanting gay marriage? Which I suppprt, but it should have ended there.

[–]SailorMoon2020 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You know, this is something I'm curious about. What rights do trans people not have exactly? We as gay peeps can get married and now we're not able to be discriminated against at public employment positions due to the recent ruling. Good. That ruling also includes trans people. So what rights do they not have? The bathroom bullshit? (Which isn't a problem for passing trans.)

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

In Ireland, LGB people have the exact same rights as straight people. The right to adopt a child as a single person (~1950’s), right to jointly foster children (1991), the right to privacy (1993, with an equal age of consent), the right to serve in the military without restrictions (1993 or earlier), IVF (2000), most of the rights of marriage (2011 via civil partnerships), the right to marry (2015 after a constitutional referendum), the right to guardianship over a partner’s/spouse’s child (2016), the right to donate blood (2017 after 12 months of abstinence for men), the right to jointly adopt children (2017), and automatic coparenthood recognition when a child is born into a same sex relationship (2019). We’ve also been protected from discrimination in employment (1998 - 2015 in religious schools and hospitals) and all other areas (2000). The only three things that are missing are:

  • a conversion therapy ban, though we do have existing laws against torturing children.
  • the right to donate blood without abstinence - could be reduced to 3 months in the future though.
  • surrogacy, which is illegal for everyone, including for straight couples. Surrogacy is a contentious issue in this country, so it’s unclear what the laws will be like in 5 years, but that’s another topic entirely.

But right now, we have TRAs demanding more ‘rights’. Privileges, more like. They want to abolish the age requirement to transition, which is 16, and that is already too low. They also want trans surgeries and hormones to be covered by the HSE, but our public healthcare system is already strained because of bureaucracy and nepotism within the office and admin staff of our healthcare system. SJWs also want sex education in primary schools. It’s madness. Hopefully people will say no to this.

[–]SailorMoon2020 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks a lot for taking the time to inform me on the matter!

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're welcome. I'm just proud of the progress my country has made on gay rights over the last 30 years. Hopefully the TRAs don't set progress back 30 years.

[–]fuck_reddit 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is what I try to point out but get demeaned for. What we should really do (and imo what would further increase acceptance domestically) would be to pivot to focusing on LGB issues abroad, working to support movements in countries to legalize homosexuality, pass gay marriage, allow gay adoption, etc. Show that we are able to enjoy the fruits of our labors at home in peace and help other people achieve greater freedoms. Instead, we've got this mess...

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What you can do at home, assuming you live in a country with gay marriage, is emphasise the responsibilities that come with our rights. LGB organisations should focus on promoting healthy marriages and cohabitations to gay couples, promoting gay people who live successful lives, and pushing gay people to be better role models, not just to gay youths but youths in general. LGB organisations should also continue to offer support to gay people who have suffered from homophobia, such as victims of assault motivated by homophobia or teenagers who were expelled from their parents' homes for being gay or bisexual. Network with homeless shelters, self-defence training courses, hospitals (sexual health is still a problem), women's organisations on behalf of lesbians and bisexual women, and men's organisations on behalf of gay and bisexual men. The last one is crucial, because a lot of gay men have negative views of straight men, and likewise, a lot of straight men have homophobic views. It's important that gay men, straight men and bisexual men work together on issues that affect men, such as suicide, health, joblessness, homelessness, class issues, drug use, crime, sexual dysfunction, family, community, military obligations in countries that have conscription, and the roles that men play in society at large. I look at the way lesbians, bi women and straight women come together on women's issues, and I think gay and bi men should work with straight men on men's issues too.

[–]fuck_reddit 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is a really good summary of things we still have to work on! I think one of the reasons it isnt as popular is its things we have to take responsibility for. Its less flashy but (imo) probably more important.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A lot of people these days hate responsibility because they are used to having someone else, usually their parents, sort things out for them. A lot of people are spoilt brats nowadays.

[–]womananadultfemale 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So right. I'm a Black woman maligned in my community when I say screw the Dem and Rethugs and let's back a real candidate of the people by going third party. People are so used to accepting crumbs for a bit more of comfort than the previous generation instead of going for real change. It may be uncomfortable at first but living in discomfort ain't nothing new so we need to suck it up and stop this madness. The Dems are all about protecting TRA over everyone else.