Women's IssuesWhat Wikipedia says about overwhelming consensus on trans women...

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[–]LiterallyawomanTERF IRL 33 insightful - 2 fun33 insightful - 1 fun34 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I will respect you, call you your chosen pronouns, but I’m not going to pretend you have a uterus or periods, I’m not going to pretend you have the female experience thereby negating real women. Fuck man. I hope the transcult bubble bursts soon. At least we still can choose our own friends and lovers irl they can’t take that away from us.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Why do people acquiesce on the pronouns? I find it offensive that speech is policed and that I'm expected to be an accomplice in someone's misogyny by referring to a man acting out a stereotype as a she. How is it not just like blackface/transracialism? Why isn't womanface equally offensive?

[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Agreed. And it reinforces the idea that they are, in fact, the sex they claim to be. Instead, we should be pushing for a trans-acceptance campaign. Transwomen are transwomen and that's okay or even better, transwomen are men, and that's okay. We should be pushing men to expand their boundaries of what is acceptable behavior, personality and hobbies instead of once again, expecting women's boundaries to be the default category of non-men. If transwomen's personalities were accepted as a variety of male behavior, the "wrong pronouns" wouldn't be an issue.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I still have an issue with "woman" being in there. Their "presentation" of woman is a stereotype. A woman can look very much like a man (look at "transmen"). Transwomen are feminine men or effeminate men or cross dressers (transvestites), some of whom go to hormonal and surgical extremes to match the conventional feminine aesthetic that many women have fought to be free from.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed, which is why I refuse to write it as trans women. The best I'll do is refusing to remove the trans from it (transwomen), but would greatly prefer society accepting personality variation in men.

[–]Feather 20 insightful - 8 fun20 insightful - 7 fun21 insightful - 8 fun -  (1 child)

I don't understand what words they want us to use. If I laid a removed uterus on a table in front of them and asked, "What word should I use to describe this organ?" what would they say? It's crazy that organs can't have names and that people without organs can claim they have the organs. THEY'RE ORGANS. Organs aren't ideological concepts or political opinions. They're organs.

At least we still can choose our own friends and lovers irl they can’t take that away from us.

True.

Also, story time: my awesome friend was called transphobic by a mtf person she didn't want to date. It's true that my friend doesn't want to date males, but she chose not to focus on that, instead focusing on the other issues. She responded with, "Don't worry - it's not about transphobia. I hate your personality."

That didn't go down well, but fortunately "personality-phobic" isn't a thing yet.

[–]SpatOuttheKoolaid 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

"Sorry, I don't date narcissists"

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    [–]automoderatorHuman-Exclusionary Radical Overlord[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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