DiscussionMaking sure we keep transphobia out

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[–][deleted] 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

To be fair, I can imagine people are increasingly fed up because of the asymmetrical warfare going on. You can be the best possible person and seek to refute the innate homophobia of gender ideology, and the horrific discrimination by the trans activists on display against gay and lesbian people, and even simply posting screenshots of what they are saying themselves gets you banned. You're maligned, hated, mistreated, and discriminated against, just for pointing out the emperor has no clothes.

You have to admit that's extremely difficult to respond to in a "nice" way, when it's obvious the kind of thing these activists are seeking to do. They don't want conversation. They want elimination. That's why it's always extremely difficult, because it's inherently unfair. They get to say/do whatever they want, call me and other people names, make us lose our jobs and friends and family, and then it behooves us not to treat them in kind? I have to admit, that's a tall order.

[–]deliciousdogfoodmy name isnt a puppyplay reference i swear 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It is difficult, but just remember that you're not doing it for them, you're doing it for yourself.

At the end of the day, mucking in the mud with them just gets you as dirty as they are. The way to win their game is not to be tricked into playing it. We can call out their homophobia without stooping to their level and calling them names and harassing them, and at the end of the day we'll be glad we did.

[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

In the first case, I'm not talking about myself. I'm too old to have such anger anymore by far. However, what I absolutely do think is invalid is this notion that such anger is never deserved, or should never be expressed nor spoken. On the contrary, I can well imagine plenty of people have been directly targeted for harassment by "LGBT" groups that are just "T" ones who have noplace to speak out to begin with. Not to mention all the blatant hypocrisy by such people which, near as I can figure, has no place here. It is entirely unfair to declare such people "dirty" or "rooting in the mud" when they're simply reacting to the mud pit thrown onto them in the first place.

[–]deliciousdogfoodmy name isnt a puppyplay reference i swear 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's entirely possible to vent and criticize their godawful behavior without resorting to the kind of personal attacks a functional definition of transphobia would include, is the point I'm trying to make. I'm not saying that our grievances should not be aired or that our criticisms should just be swallowed. Ensuring we have the same context here, I would not consider "Trans women are not women" to be dirty or shit slinging. I would consider personal attacks, slurs, etc. that don't evolve into meaningful conversation to be shit slinging.

The purpose of my analogy was not to say that retaliating makes one "dirty" (As taken out of context it sounds like a very harsh criticism of the person, rather than a simple description of the consequences of a behavior) and I do apologize for any undue offence as I'm not here to try attacking anyone. I simply believe that retaliating and playing their games will do far more for their narrative than our cause.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think transphobia is fear of trans ideology, and is a legitimate position. Mudslinging and insults are just bad behavior and shouldn't be part of any adult discourse, regardless of the topic.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I disagree. I'm a free speech absolutist. When I was a kid, I remember frequently hearing "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me." When did the commitment to freedom of speech (a prerequisite to thinking) go away? I don't believe it is possible to bully or attack someone you aren't even addressing and don't know exists. When talking about ideas, what they are calling hate is actually just heresy. Well I'm an unrepentant heretic on this issue.