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Not OP, but:

There exists a split between "liberal feminism" and "radical feminism". Generalizing a lot here, but: radical feminism thinks pornography is exploitation, feminism is for female women only, doesn't believe in transgender ideology, thinks female sex role expectations often harm women (extra time spent doing makeup, expectations to be deferential, etc). Liberal feminism thinks feminism is for men too and helps men, generally upholds transgender ideology, thinks sex work is work like any other, thinks makeup is empowering if women want to do it.

TwoX, for example, would be an example of a liberal feminist sub. Radical feminists might think it's not very female centered. Women on GC often complained about how they felt they got bad advice on TwoX and that it was not really a female-perspective-centric sub.

What double standards happened with GamerGate? That's interesting about the different treatment FDS and TRP got. FDS seems pretty much like a mirror to TRP, unethical activity included.

However, the "Reddit hates women" stuff starts to look compelling when you see how many male subs weren't banned. GC was banned in the first wave, but GenderCriticalGuys wasn't. And in this latest ban round, r/TrueLesbians was banned, but r/TrueGayMen was not.

It should be noted that most of the feminist subs are not actually female centric, as they include transgenderist men. The GC network subs were pretty much the only ones that were for actual women (they even went after /r/PCOS trying to make it "inclusive"!). So while "feminist" stuff might be widely promoted, it's not actually stuff for women. Because the word has been co-opted by men.

It also seems like there is compelling evidence of a double standard wrt anti-female vs anti-male stuff. There was also a feminist sub a while back that was removed for "hateful speech," when literally what they did was reverse words in stuff men had said about them. I guess I don't go around reddit a whole lot and hang around uncensored spaces but it seems like anti-female sentiment is pretty normalized on a lot of the web. And often the women who post this kind of stuff are challenged, but the men who're doing the anti-female stuff (in much greater volume) are left alone. For another example, there actually was a radfem removed from GC for posting violent content. Like ... the one radfem doing it. Stuff like that is pretty normalized in anti-female spaces... which includes a lot of the internet.

It seems like they have a point. And I don't think the "X is anti-<our group>" is unique to them. That's why people post content about their opponents or targets behaving badly in all sorts of contexts.

It seems like the radems have a point. But I also think there's hypocrisy wrt to the trans issue because they still over-reach with "hate speech" for other issues in the progressive stack (esp. LGB ideology) in the same way TRAs do about "transphobia". And have, to some degree, a double standard instead of a decency for everyone standard. Like I said though, I do think they have a point.