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[–]jet199 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (69 children)

I like arguing.

When does that turn into sealioning?

Am I sealioning right now?

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (62 children)

TL;DR:
You are authentically seeking answers, thus you are not sealioning.

 

Being a curmudgeon, grumpy, argumentative, combative, debating, etc may be unpleasant to many yet may be productive or may simply be your genuine nature. None of this is terribly problematic or unique to our community. You are not questioning or arguing in bad faith.

Sealioning is the technique of a bad faith inauthentic "polite" timesuck asstroll and/or a shill with an agenda, paid or not, ignorant or intentional, who is determined to never learn anything, tie you up in perpetual circular logic argument knots, never grow, waste time, waste resources, waste motivation, and is determined to muddy up forums and/or harm good sites. First and always, never budging, never growing, never evolving, from their cemented positions they start arguments and only select and cite the information they need to waste your time. They deflect, squirm, evade, distract, change topic, spin, lie, and say they will look at your counter-information and never do. Inauthentic through and through. If this isn't downward bad faith I don't know what is.

" Sealioning - a harassment tactic under the guise of sincerity by trolls in online discussions to pester others with repeated disingenuous questions and persistent requests for evidence for basic claims, aiming to erode the patience and goodwill of targets to make them seem unreasonable. "
~ /s/Terminology/comments/8f81/sealioning_a_harassment_tactic_under_the_guise_of/

In this global health-sanitation & surveillance war /u/socks and /u/ShalomEveryone (and /u/ActuallyNot who I haven't seen for a while) are inauthentic agents of chaos, enemies of truth-seeking, and authoritarians blindly worshiping Zionist controlled brainwashing lying corporate media, corrupt mafia governments, and mass-murdering mass-harming big pharma who has captured and corrupted all systems beyond recognition for their eugenics depopulation /s/Agenda21_Agenda2030 and manufactured collapse of the West via lockdowns and decay. They are the enemies within, whether they know it or not, whether they acknowledge it or not.

IMO, we should not waste time on their bullshit as we need to focus on quality, learning about the problems accurately (without misinfo BS), and critically finding alternatives, solutions, and ways to resist, avoid, and counter those problems.

Defend them as you see fit, but wasting time with sealions is like mental masturbation with sandpaper and the intimacy of a robot.

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (40 children)

To be fair I think many of the worst offenders are autists and/or women rather than disingenuous.

I've noticed with the rad fem crowd many women can be particularly terrier like with their arguing/accusations and won't take a breather for at least the first 40 replies. Even if they are right they look crazy.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (39 children)

i doubt women post on sites like this or reddit much, on instagram sure, they don't like typing things just posting pics. At most they're on twitter.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (36 children)

I think quite a few identify as women though.

I've seen people calling Socks "she" but that could mean anything now.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (34 children)

I've seen people calling Socks "she" but that could mean anything now.

That was a mistake. Tam, for whatever reason, referred to Socks as a woman in a post and people just assumed Tam knew something we didn't. That went on for a while without Socks correcting anybody because he assumed it was a deliberate slight.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (33 children)

He probably felt it was a micro aggression and literal violence. He's lucky to be alive really.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (27 children)

I think that's an American thing sadly. Not sure where Socks is from, but some people think it is a muslim nation. He does hate Jews. Could be asian too.

u/Socks, curious minds want to know.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

LOL

I like Jewish people, I also once had a Jewish girlfriend, who is awesome. (I don't like Israel political leadership at the moment, as you know.) I'm not in a Muslim nation, nor am I Asian.

Here's a riddle, the answer to which is who I am: "What is always old and sometimes new? Never sad, but sometimes blue? Never empty, but sometimes full? Never pushes, always pulls?"

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (20 children)

What is always old and sometimes new? Never sad, but sometimes blue? Never empty, but sometimes full? Never pushes, always pulls?"

An anal dildo is not a nationality, Socks. 🤦‍♀️

[–]AXXA 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

you're Neil Armstrong

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Jet - WTF is this about?: "He's lucky to be alive really."

EDIT - fuhgeddaboudit - I obviously need a shrink

[–]AXXA 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

https://infogalactic.com/info/Sarcasm

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

wow - that went so far over my head, I suppose I am lucky to be alive

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

identifying as women doesn't mean anything

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I can only think of 5, maybe 6 women I know about on here, although I don't venture over into the subs that aren't on s/all.

[–]jet199 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

This is why I want the front page to show s/all plus the extra subs I subscribe to.

I'm too lazy to look at both.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

They are the enemies within

This is idiotic and weak, and LOW POD.

Reduce the fucking ad hominem, ffs. Problem will be solved.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (18 children)

YOU are the out-of-place alien on this truth-seeking forum who's acting like a robot of bad faith. Stop behaving like a disruption and misinfo agent of chaos, answer questions directly, open your mind to skepticism, quit the authoritarian bullshit, and STOP LYING - then the problem will be solved.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Re-read - S L O W L Y :

Reduce the fucking ad hominem, ffs. Problem will be solved.

(Or: stop wasting everyone's time, because you consistently ignore what some of us write, responding instead with personal attacks - and in this case starting with a personal attack in your post - as if ONLY YOU can see reality and everyone else should wake up to your genius. It's fucked up, retarded, insane and stupid. [Not you, but it. Still, what do I know....)

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

Re-read - S L O W L Y :

Your patronizing tone will hardly convince me and you're already a timesuck who won't respect us enough to bother digesting the content we provide you, so suck it hypocrite. Try re-reading my repetitive, redundant, boring rant after rant after rant about you saying the same thing over and over and over and maybe you might actually take some mental notes and learn what the fuck your problems are.

Reduce the fucking ad hominem, ffs. Problem will be solved.

How much reduced? 50%? 75%? 100%? Will you reduce your shilling, lying, and sealioning? How about reducing your blind faith in authoritarian bullshit?

2022-01-30 19:39 EST socks: "As usual, Carswell - you can't provide content - you can only attack people."

That is an attack on me.

The irony is that you can't even see or admit that you're doing the very same bullshit. I can admit it. Can you?

you consistently ignore what some of us write

Try writing something worth paying attention to.

responding instead with personal attacks

More lies. I know nothing personal about you, other than you're a Quaker, allegedly. I've not attacked that. I still respect them, despite you, and despite ALL religions being generally retarded mind control mechanisms.

a personal attack in your post

I did not mention you personally. You are not the only sealioning trash on SaidIt stinking up the place.

as if ONLY YOU can see reality

You're making shit up again. I am NOT the only one who sees through your bullshit. MANY folks support the idea of banishing your disruptive bullshit, including one of the co-founders.

and everyone else should wake up to your genius.

That's not a bad suggestion, though we all know Mensa is higher than genius.

It's fucked up, retarded, insane and stupid. [Not you, but it. Still, what do I know....)

That's borderline name-calling. You drunk?

You know a lot - but not nearly enough, nor how to get along here. And for some reason you don't know when you're not welcome.

You should leave. We've tried being patient. We've tried teaching you. You are an agent of chaos and supporter of EVIL. Do that shit somewhere else.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

I see only personal attacks from you. The only POD rule that should be enforced on Saidit is: no personal attacks. Instead - because of personal attacks like yours - Saidit remains a very small group. Even your original post is evidence of the obvious problem here. Think!

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

Always the victim with the "personal attack" bullshit.

I'm attacking YOUR ACTIONS - sealioning.

Like a baby you spin everything and can't even deal with this authentically.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

No - Carswell - you attack users and their actions in the same context, and you COMPLETELY overlook the topic of the discussion when you do it. To say: 'stop your sealioning' is to make a false claim about a person, rather than to discuss the FUCKING TOPIC. Your entire post is about me (and that my actions - whatever they were - are bad). Discuss a TOPIC, not me. Stop focusing on me. I'm nobody. WHAT is discussed is at issue, not WHO. NO - this is NOT ABOUT BEING A VICTIM. Cut that stupid argument as well - because AGAIN you are attacking a person when you say it. LEARN THE FUCKING POD - so that you focus on the TOPIC AT ISSUE, NOT ON THE PERSON OR THEIR ACTIONS. Your comment - above - is STUPID. I hope the CAPS are helpful, as a way of clarifing the SAME THING I've told you for well over 14 months.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

No - Carswell - you attack users and their actions in the same context, and you COMPLETELY overlook the topic of the discussion when you do it. To say: 'stop your sealioning' is to make a false claim about a person, rather than to discuss the FUCKING TOPIC. Your entire post is about me (and that my actions - whatever they were - are bad). Discuss a TOPIC, not me. Stop focusing on me. I'm nobody. WHAT is discussed is at issue, not WHO. NO - this is NOT ABOUT BEING A VICTIM. Cut that stupid argument as well - because AGAIN you are attacking a person when you say it. LEARN THE FUCKING POD - so that you focus on the TOPIC AT ISSUE, NOT ON THE PERSON OR THEIR ACTIONS. Your comment - above - is STUPID. I hope the CAPS are helpful, as a way of clarifing the SAME THING I've told you for well over 14 months.

You perpetually support authoritarian tyranny, liar corporate media, corrupt mafia governments, and mass-murdering mass-harming big pharma. THAT is the topic. Don't change the subject, don't deflect, don't lie, just admit it. If/when you stop that bullshit, then I'll stop considering you an enemy on SaidIt.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I like arguing. I think no one is properly sealioning on Saidit, regardless of the ad hominem attacks from those who say someone is sealioning, or in bad faith, or whatever. If those ad hominem attacks are reduced (by users, mods and admins), I think Saidit will grow.

[–]soundsituation 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

The dude/lady/programmed entity who has been asking for eternity why penises aren't clitorises and why clownfish aren't homo sapiens is definitely sealioning.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Makes no sense. If you're going to break Saidit rules, try to avoid word salads.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Makes no sense. If you're going to break Saidit rules, try to avoid word salads.

I'm gonna quote the fuck out of this back at you socks.

It made perfect sense to me.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If only these stupid comments weren't in my inbox.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If only these stupid comments weren't in my inbox.