Create a "mod permissions" Wiki/FAQ page here by TumbleweedFireflies in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]TumbleweedFireflies[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm going to be online over this weekend and would be happy to add it, but I don't have permissions to create new pages and/or edit the official SaidIt Wiki.

I think it's even more important to get this info added now that Reddit has updated the wording for mod permissions, so their modhelp Wiki page will change soon too. Eventually, mods here won't even be able to refer back to that.

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[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I hadn't, but now I am. Hmm. Battalioning sounds quite epic. Detatchmenting a little uncommited.

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[–]TheAmeliaMay 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Welcome! Have fun

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[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/brigading-online-poll-meaning

Thanks. Here's a little more about the new usage for the word.

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[–]AXXA 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

brigade and brigand have the same root

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[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Welcome to saidit. Become a regular and catch up on all our drama. :)

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[–]Node 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

brigading

Do you ever wonder why 'they' settled on brigading instead of any of the other military unit sizes? Why not battalioning, or armying? "Ima pm 6 of my buddies and squad you, mofo!"

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[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

no downvote: no brigading

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[–]orangetree[S] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you. I feel dumb for not seeing that preference setting.

Insightful / lightbulb / fun - Now I get it. Thanks for the clarification.

Looking forward to using this site regularly.

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[–]TheAmeliaMay 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I wish I could turn off the themes.

Go to "preferences", scroll down to "display options", and uncheck "allow subs to show me custom themes."

I like regular up/down arrows.

SaidIt doesn't have a down-vote feature. There's an insightful vote, represented by a light-bulb, and a fun vote, represented by a smiley-face, in the default theme. The names pretty much explain what they're for.

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[–]cryptEX 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I think they are both upvote buttons technically. There is no downvote.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You're not getting the concept, unless you think M7 would actually choose Bob3 and four femme fatales to be his trusted advisors.

If the rules are as flexible as the PoD and open to interpretation then you get what we've got. PoD is great but not perfect. Don't make perfect the enemy of good.

Anyone can get offended by anything, and now they teach kids to be like that. SaidIt is for civil discourse, not a safe space free of offenses.

Above all, who decides and how?

Not just punished for being active, but without fairness, justice, transparency, and accountability.

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[–]AmericanMuskrat 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Just my luck I'd probably get the jury with u/bobbobbybob and four femcel/inists I've pissed off.

I do like the s/GloryHole option though, really brings some class to the whole shebang.


Noticed I'd be considered bourgeois, elevating ourselves in class I see. I like it. These filthy serfs will learn to respect our hard, but fair love.


Rules must be followed.

If every person who ever broke the rules was banned we'd have nobody here. Volume has always worked against me. Say i write 100,000 comments. Some number, arbitrarily 5%, of these will be offensive. That's 5,000 reports.

A less active user might write 300 comments. That's 15 reports.

5,000 reports seems way worse than 15, obviously, but it's the same amount, just adjusted for volume.

You get punished for being active. Everywhere I mean. That is an important issue.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Please read this: /s/PhoenixForum/comments/7fet/phoenix_forum/ about:

  1. Fair Forum - more self-regulating fair site management
  2. GUI + PreVisualization - developing a better user experience
  3. Software Development - coding, beyond me
  4. Libre-Festos - mission statements for a better future free of the corporatocracy
  5. Project Management - organizing all of this
  6. MetaVote™ - for better qualitative and organized data, in a simple interface

M7 is certainly free to participate. I've even suggested he could be admin again with ultimate veto powers, but with more fair system - a system that need not wait for the next-gen forum.

Everyone would have his ear, especially his trusted team of "Peace Rangers" who are also accessible.

M7 doesn't have to hear any of this. This idea is now out there. Anyone anywhere may employ it and modify it as they see fit. Whatever comes of the "Phoenix Forum" idea, they can always use and improve on it - or adapt another system.

" Are you recommending M7 relinquish control of this site and only step in as he sees the need? "

Exactly! Almost.

I wouldn't call it "relinquishing" if he still has ultimate veto powers. I would call it trusting his well-chosen advisors. I don't think he trusts anyone, and that's his right, and he might be smarter to be extra paranoid. Especially intimately knowing how they currently operate. If it's all done in the open with proven users who check each other and give him sufficient reports to judge with (and potentially veto) then the problems ideally should be reduced a lot.

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[–]Zapped 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

So what if a group comes up with a new site design/hierarchy? Does it get pushed to M7? Who has his ear? What if M7 doesn't want to hear any of this?

I noticed Tier 2 says "will of the people". Are you recommending M7 relinquish control of this site and only step in as he sees the need?

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It would be interesting to have some other ways of voting.

Voting factions with separate vote types? This site doesn't have enough users for complex voting systems.

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We can't edit posts, remember? I know that all local subs are dead, but if they were alive, your rules would unnecessary complicate their work. There is no reason to restrict how much sub owners can post in their subs.

If this site had users, they would vote for their favorite new posts in their favorite subs, and the front page would be filled with quality content. Irregardless of the overall number of posts.

If you care about mental health this much, you should support the addition of SAD votes.

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[–]joe 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I have no beef with /u/Donald, he's surely a lovely guy

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[–]Enza 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm trying to do things but I don't know if I have "much going on" yet.

Seems like you have a lot of interesting ideas - don’t be afraid to outsource to fiver, I have before and I’ve been happy with the results each time. It was much harder when I started the fashion line to find and build connections for specific things I couldn’t do or grasp, fiver makes establishing relationships and outsourcing quality ideas for a quality return easy and cheap. That MTV-vibe idea sounds cool.

if I actually cared for him more.

I read your initial post. The way you described your father and your relationship, reminds me a lot of the one I have between my father and I. But he’s still my father - and like you said, you feel you picked up some positive “ways of being” because of him either because of his “good or bad”, I feel I did too. I’ve learned lessons, and my father taught me to have a code and morals - it sounded like your father did the same for you. I remember as a kid saying I was never going to be like my dad when I got older, but I turns out he never actually shared himself with me so I never really knew him like that, and I did end up thinking very similar to him - minus the coldness and judging-mentality. That’s why I think it’s a good idea, the name, the connection, there’s a story behind it and emotion (as well as more, I’m sure) there.

Brooklyn is serious.

Ehh maybe it used to be back then. It depends literally on the store/front and current trends since everything became so hipstery.

What is "rn"?

“Right now”

I had some "fashions" in stores - I discovered someone stole one of my designs and made Halloween pot-holders, oven mits, etc. with it. Great job, but I got no money, credit, or even awareness, much less a thank you.

That’s bullshit!! Did you have some kind of date related proof like maybe a picture uploaded online that proved you created it? That’s a trademark right there for that design. Things don’t have to be officially registered for proof of ownership and for you to win a lawsuit (although it helps, and I did have two, one for the brand name and one for the logo design/character. I believe I still own them tbh).

now you have me interested

If you ever need help, don’t be afraid to shoot me a PM. I have good sources on clothing (including cut and sew and embroidery) and promotional material (like die cut keychain packs, stickers, phone cases, home decor, etc). I’ll show you what I’ve done and if I can, share with you what you’re looking for. I gave m7 the same offer, he saw some of my stuff (I was even interviewed by complex magazine, but I gotta dox myself to show you haha), if/when SaidIt starts merchandising he said he was interested in the possibility of working together on something.

I wish you good luck on all your future and current projects and endeavors, a lot of them do honestly and genuinely sound interesting - something I’d like to see in existence.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Now you've got me curious. Should I dig those up? If I ever do I'll keep this in mind. We all have rough patches. I recall one with Wizz I regret. I may have deserved some venting at. Thanks for the apology but it's not necessary. I'm trying to do things but I don't know if I have "much going on" yet.

What is "rn"? Yes, that it came from my Dad's clinic's motto might mean more if I actually cared for him more. I also look at it that he said one thing and I contradict him - but not all the way to saying "life is a bitch". Neither optimist nor pessimist.

I had some "fashions" in stores - I discovered someone stole one of my designs and made Halloween pot-holders, oven mits, etc. with it. Great job, but I got no money, credit, or even awareness, much less a thank you.

Brooklyn is serious. I first lived in Greenpoint the summer of 96 before I moved to the City. I did several animated promos for Teletoon, the Canadian version of Cartoon Network.

Some of my ideas are for interactive animation and other video projects on SaidIt. Despite being distant, I believe I have some interesting ideas that can help distribute the load, foster community, interest, and different abilities into some creative productions. Perhaps some may even support us and/or value/buy original animation frames as works as collectable if not beautiful works of art. On some of them I'm not aiming to be retro or vintage, but I am aiming to be "radical" like classic MTV and Monty Python animation - rapid, edgy, and loose (despite my usual efforts to be tight and clean). All of this will be part of my /s/LeverMind Variety Show project pitch.

Critically important, IMO, yet much less fun, I'd like to previs my ideas for a next-gen forum, MetaVotes™, and other concepts. With not just images, but glossy animations that showcase the dream features I hope to inspire others to create. 2D must be easier to finesse than the backend code architecture.

I did some toy concepts in 2005 and used puppets in 2007 and wouldn't be against using them again, depending. Small sets are easier to make than big ones. I'd also like to make characters to 3D print for sale and support. And stickers, patches, gear, etc. I have too many ideas and need to narrow them down. Soon.

I'm very keen to see your sites. Over a decade ago I made many too, though now I'd use a template. I'd like to get my GlossedAndProfound.com (online production management cooperative), BittersweetSeeds.com, Trutherism101.com, and on May 1st I'll get 2 more, one mentioned above, and one for a PeerTube instance - and perhaps a 3rd for a webstore if I can draft up my pitch for SaidIt and find a catchy name by then. (I have to budget.) I'd like them all tied together (and perhaps with SaidIt and/or WikiSpooks) but the tube and store may have to be separate, while the others I think should be in a mediawiki as they are for production development and IMO that seems the best way. All open and transparent under a G&P wiki, and eventually the other 3 can have their own tubes after there's actually content to share.

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[–]Enza 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don’t feel like people on SaidIt like being too honest about their feelings in public comments tbh, I know I don’t. SaidIt isn’t what It was a year ago, user-wise. You did nothing wrong for me to vent to you, the opposite dude lol.

I said some things, or rather put some things onto you in a PM I should never have (when I messaged you before the trolling/shilling rly started). That was wrong of me imho. I don’t expect you to remember - you have so much going on right now, my PM pales in comparison. It was still unfair, immature and inappropriate I feel. I owe you an apology.

I’m looking forward to your projects dude, Bittersweet Seeds the most rn! The first time I really spoke to you, you mentioned it to me (white owl social club I think!), and with me finding out it stems from your dad’s (rip!!) saying, and all the feelings that are there.. I think you have the ingredients for something beautiful. All good projects have feeling in them!

Edit: Btw, if you would like help with any of your projects please hit me up!! I’m an artist, I had a fashion line that sold in stores. I shared an art gallery (the bottle-neck gallery in Brooklyn) with Chogrin of adventure time and the regular show (this gallery was officially for Nintendo and Cartoon Network).

I’ve done a lot of other projects where I was the creative director as well, such as designing all the tour material, as well as album artwork for a famous band (kut-u-up), that’s good friends with blink-182. The bassist of blink-182 liked what I did so much, he contacted me 2 personally ask me 2 physically mail him whatever art from the project I had on hand if I didn’t mind, as well as shared my brand on his and blink’s official Facebook and Twitter.

I’ve also done a lot of charity work, creating plushies and toys for children with cancer stuck in hospitals in collaboration with nakanari of kid robot, a monster to love and a Japanese company famous for Kaiju plushies (we donated all profits to St Jude’s children hospital as well as boxes of free plushies to different hospitals in each of our states).

Web design is no problem for me either. Let me know if you’re interested and I’ll show you the latest website I built.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for saying so! Perhaps ironically I woke up an sat down and considered writing this as a post for /s/AskSaidit:

" Does anyone else feel inadequate on SaidIt? I can take an hour on a paragraph or a day on a post and few notice, as my messages pile up sadly neglected, incoming faster than I can respond to all of them. Meanwhile, some very prolific users comment volumes of wisdom in every single post, magically /s/all-seeing across the mountains and the torrents of current events. "

I don't recall any venting. It wouldn't surprise me if I missed it. I may have deserved it. Maybe you needed to blow off steam. My friend, you need no forgiveness. Because I'm not clear what you mean, should I go back and refresh myself and/or first read it? How long ago? I've had almost a couple months of back pain, then was out of the loop writing big posts. I'm trying to catch up on 660+ messages but they stack up faster than I can whack-a-mole the current ones. Even worse, the more I share my grand ideas the more people give me their great feedback, which is actually a good cycle to be in, developing solutions, rather than just learning about perpetual corruption and tragedy.

I still have several more of these big idea posts to draft up and present to the SaidIt community at large. Sure I'd like everyone to see my posts, but it's not critical just yet. I'd like them to become familiar with the concepts, many inter-related. If they are familiar with them it saves a monster load of homework at the end when I reference them all.

Ultimately I'm going to draft up a summary post, or few, referencing all the concepts. This will be the one or few that I'll want everyone to see and vote for and vote in. In that post I'll "quit SaidIt" (clickbait) and all my current event participation in order to focus on a few of these projects that I'll develop interactively, still on SaidIt.

I will be developing 2 projects for certain: Bittersweet Seeds my sci-fi story, with Glossed And Profound an online production management cooperative to collectively organize - and ideally eventually reward people fairly. I'm not on SaidIt for my luxurious lifestyle, but I do think people should be rewarded for their efforts. There's zero reason why all social media developed since Steemit shouldn't have crypto reward systems (SaidIt is based off the old Reddit so it gets a pass). I'll also need to start a coop here in Windsor, Ontario for real-world accountability, resource management, and assistance.

Back to the ultimate goal: I will ask the community which of my grand ideas they'd like to see me focus on and develop further first. Importantly all these projects and their developments will be shared on SaidIt, employing as much feedback, collaboration, assistance, etc as possible. Interactive baby! Even some of the animation projects, believe it or not (more on this later). The people will vote on my destiny.

I'm hoping that even if some of these projects don't reach the "success" I hope for, they may at least be a model or template or inspiration to others to build upon for how they might also do out-of-the-box thinking and project developments towards alternative solutions.

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[–]Enza 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I just saw this mention and post now Jason. Thank you, imho you have very good ideas (as well as articulate them well) and a great heart. I have to apologize for venting to you the way i did in that PM, it was inappropriate, please forgive me.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

LOL

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[–]Earendil 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Jason.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

You may be correct. I might be a 12 year old girl. Want photos?

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. Thanks! Typo fixed. I actually had /s/PsyWar in my to-create list when someone created that sub.

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[–]Earendil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Shouldn't that say "PsychoWarfare" with a c? Or is that "PsyopWarfare"

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[–]Earendil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

A democratic monarchy of sorts, yes.

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[–]Earendil 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I thought Bob was a lady, tbh.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. You are absolutely correct. I even stated under "Purpose":

(As an anti-authoritarian and advocate for decentralizing all things, this delicious irony is not lost on me.)

That also applies to my "hierarchy". Yet I recognize that some distinctions must be made. Meanwhile we can keep it as flat and horizontal as possible without endless middle-men and middle-management gumming up the works.

Today I was considering better names and clarifications for my concepts.

Level Privilege Title Description
Tier 1 extra Site Admins benevolent power to execute the will of the people
Tier 2 user Peace Rangers non-partisan neutral trusted advisors who decide together
Tier 3 user The Citizenry active contributors, limited and/or tribalists
Tier 4 user The Fray new and rare contributors, unproven, unknown, anons, and/or asstrolls
Tier 5 none The Unruly banished as they do not play well with others

What I want to emphasize here is that all users have the same equal privileges and their character alone makes them stand out enough to be trusted and heard above the fray. Naturally others may voice counter ideas and they may ignore or respond as they see fit - always an open dialogue and even playing field.

"Peace keepers" and "peace officers" came to mind but there are too many negative associations. Then I remembered that at Burning Man we have our own community Rangers who are trained in first aid, conflict deescalation, and other things. They are the eyes and ears of the BMOrg. They keep a look out, help out, and will call in the police or other aid if absolutely necessary. Few Burners dislike anything about the Rangers, which cannot be said about the police. All Rangers are just humans, and a few may occasionally overstep their bounds, but not many and not often. Most heavily identify as Rangers over many years and decades taking their responsibility roles seriously and the few who exhibit authoritarian tendencies soon get weeded out.

Normal citizens earn their status above the fray via participation, currently on SaidIt via the insightful / fun score counts. In my proposed Phoenix Forum these would be measured via MetaVotes. Without giving too much away, instead of the vote scores or social credits, MetaVotes would be a cloud of statistics with visualizations. I'll go into detail soon enough.

I'll soon proof read, revise, and include all this in the OP.

Regarding the manufactured drama chaos, /u/TheAmeliaMay and /u/Enza, you should do your best to pay no mind to the professional psychological manipulators. They're more than just asstrolls, they are the front lines of the /s/PsychoWarfare and we must stand firm against them and their corrupt exploitative murderous Zionist establishment they defend. Your sensitivity is commendable and proves you are good people. Always feel free to lean on others for support, and please always remember that there's an infinite number of reasons why anyone (like me) may not immediately respond. This, self-management, organization, and communications are certainly heavy on my mind regarding potential reform concepts for the Next-Gen Phoenix Forum. If I can't build it I can dream it out loud to maybe inspire, influence, or eventually get made. I also aim to animate the dream to help the process, though that may be years away. Picture my projects as something like Wintergatan's Marble Machine X.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's a good one.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ignore Bob3, he starts shit then gets offended when gay sand is thrown.

I don't know if asking for help is actually courageous, but I think it is, and obviously it's the better correct thing to do, which is why it's my biggest issue with M7.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I need to proof read and refine it again. Criticisms and suggestions welcome. I'm even happy to include them in the post. I'm not afraid to admit when things are problematic, paradoxes, caveats to consider, or simply incomplete concepts.

I already regret the pretentious title.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If you hadn't blocked me, you'd be able to read this.

The votes in these CSS do not subvert the SaidIt voting system. It's the same system replacing images with numbers. Each number counts the "insightful" and the "fun".

If you read my post correctly you'd see that I'm suggesting ways to make it more democratic - but NEVER a democracy. Above all, it's to make it more fair and easier for M7.

Perhaps you should stick to commenting on things you actually know about.

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[–]socks 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Indeed - this is brilliant - /u/JasonCarswell

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[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's what I want to do. The entire reason I'm making things more public is because I don't want to deal with it.

THEN DON'T.

STOP

JUST STOP

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[–]TheAmeliaMay 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

He should stick to removing spam and bot content and stay away from real users, forever.

That's what I want to do. The entire reason I'm making things more public is because I don't want to deal with it.

These Seeds For Fairness And Justice On SaidIt Need Your Help by JasonCarswell in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

this site is not reddit.

it is also not your personal site, nor is it a democracy. TheAmeliaMay was never meant to admin like magnora7, and he has far outstepped the stated bounds of his domain.

He should stick to removing spam and bot content and stay away from real users, forever.

interesting that this content was posted in a sub that already subverts saidit principles by instating a upvote/downvote system with css.

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Go figure that u/donald and u/joe are blank accounts created by some shill so he could sell them later... That kind of pisses me off.

Some sites allow multiple users to share one name. Names are just for flavor, the number is what is real.

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[–]Optimus85 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The button for enabling random sub for NSFW says subreddit on it by KaiEdwardBannon in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh thanks, I guess that's a setting on the app that would need to be adjusted.

Your post was marked NSFW automatically because it contained the word NSFW in the title.

Thanks for the feedback!

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[–]KaiEdwardBannon[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I did not mark this as NSFW yet it automatically does that.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That makes perfect sense. I could be doing heavy or dangerous or heavy dangerous work. I could have found a shitty job to do shitty work that I don't like for much of the day so I could have more cash to play with on my rare off-time. For a while it aligned with my interests. I was mostly a TV commercial animator, among other things, eventually a director. Then 2008 and Big Pharma happened to me. I went beyond low and have been crawling out of that pit gradually getting better. So far I've been choosing to contribute to society in different ways on my own terms. I'll soon try to make the big step next year with a product in hand.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That would be rad.

If you do, after I return, I'll whip up a poster or something pretty with your crypto info so folks can thank you if they don't ignore my promotional spam.

Ages ago I recommended M7 draft up some code bounties to patch up issues and such. People could donate to them, and the coders could be rewarded, and the site could improve. Money talks but I guess it's not that important.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I need to stop talking about my grand story and fucking finish it. That requires focus. And then I can return and properly pimp that shit out and have a legit reason to ask for support, funding, feedback, and future development of the concept - once everyone actually understands what the concept really is. Me "multitasking" at this stage of the project is just finding distractions and excuses not to tackle the part I'm not built for. The illustrating, storyboarding, animating, and filmmaking will be much easier.

I'm openly developing it but I haven't touched it since COVID distracted me: https://infogalactic.com/info/Bittersweet_Seeds This time I won't return until it's reasonably presentable as a rough first draft.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Good to know.

No hurries, no worries. Thanks for considering it. Please document it if you can for others to dev stuff with. I might even dip into that realm if it's not too deep.

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[–]AmericanMuskrat 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

True, but that'd mean people pimpin their subs in their comments out of context. I don't know people would mind that, but I worry they might. Really not sure.

So... I was a programmer 2 decades ago. I probably can't do fuckall, but is there a place I can see saidit's code? Never did python either but it's based on C and that I know.

Also I noticed if you pick the embed link on a comment, it still has the reddit logo.

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[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I mean people could promote them by word of mouth too. It doesn't require any programming, just time

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[–]AmericanMuskrat 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I've been thinking about this too, how to expose people to new or existing subs. Not exactly what Jason is talking about but I think we have the same basic goal in mind.

Does it need any coding though? This process doesn't have to automated. The mods of subs themselves could contribute to a weekly automod thread generated in s/Saidit or wherever.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I had to look up what an API is. Good to know. I'm going to draft up a manifesto of sorts for my trillion dollar ideas and that term will cover much of that. It will also come in handy in my epic story.

Is the RSAW run by the SaidIt server or is that for your device to do?

Does my OP seem doable? It seems some folks like the concept considering the votes so far, not even 24 hours old.

You might want to start simply and add more features in time - and might re-build it for other SaidIt-utility-bots. For example, in addition to auto-posting the new bots this week you could build weekly auto-posts for the top 20 insightful posts, top 20 insightful comments, top 20 fun posts, top 20 fun comments, top 20 most active posts, top 20 most active subs, top 20 music posts, top 20 political posts, etc. If necessary you could recruit help with sub classifications to limit your field. I've got a good start with my multi-subs, though far from complete or comprehensive, though this week I think I reached some limits.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You're the only bot guy I know. (Sorry for not getting back about the other stuff. I have 500+ messages I mean to get through eventually.) I still don't understand RSAW or API stuff. I think in the spring I may learn. I'm more interested in auto-posting than responses, unless it's a secondary response to an auto-posting-bot - like a forward to let me when someone responds to one of my bots, assuming I made a bunch of bots to auto-post content or feeds - or in this case a SaidIt-New-Subs-This-Week bot.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I love this idea.

For years I've been talking about a SaidIt Weekly or SaidIt Monthly - as a "Best Of SaidIt" for all those who don't have the time/energy/motivation/wherewithal to follow all the nonsense much less aggregate the aggregate into a digestible package. I can almost guarantee that countless people would appreciate getting a powerful trustworthy summary rather than having to wade through all the shit.

Whether it grows slowly or quickly, if YouTubers can make a living with their content I'm quite certain something like this could catch on. Once established, we could cast some vocal talent readers and it wouldn't be too difficult to animate a weekly show for those who read with their ears.

I've been ramping down and I'll be taking a break from SaidIt for a while to finish my epic story. When I return I'll be promoting and further developing that project, and trying to develop some more practical and user-friendly WikiSpooks and SaidIt-WikiSpooks projects, likely including that weekly aggregate.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Would something like this be good as a bot? If so, perhaps someone could develop it in /s/SaidItBots. I don't know if bots need to be external (ie. from my computer) or might be installed on the SaidIt server. I'm guessing it depends on the bot.

Also, perhaps you could add:
/s/DiscoverSaidit
/s/ISaidIt
/s/rsaw - "Raw Saidit API Wrapper"
/s/SaiditAlternatives
/s/SaidItBots
/s/SaiditCanary
/s/saiditcensorship
/s/saiditCleanup
/s/SaidItFundraising
/s/SaiditLanguagePacks
/s/saiditrequest
/s/SaidItSurveys
/s/slideforsaidit
to the sidebar of /s/IdeasForSaidIt/about/edit/. Thanks in advance if you indulge my OCD.

cc /u/d3rr

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[–]zyxzevn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Start with an open post..
"This week on saidit"
- New subs
- Top posts
- Top discussions
- Introductions and questions ?

Post in /s/saidit and let people add their own things.

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[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Not bad ideas, but any programming is unlikely to happen without a new programmer.

The saidit subs update list sounds interesting, maybe someone else could do that, since d3rr and I have more than enough on our plates already? Someone could make a sub for it

For now, browsing https://saidit.net/subs/new/ should do the job

Limiting the amount of posts for each user by zyxzevn in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]zyxzevn[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I notice that the limit of 3 is too small. 6 might be ok.

But there is another problem, that has to do with popularity.
Some high quality posts are not even upvoted.
While those that are hyped topics do get upvotes.

So to get more quality on the site, people should first upvote quality instead of hype.

It would be interesting to have some other ways of voting.
Maybe in combination with some moderation help and flairs / keywords / emoticons.

Proposed SaidIt Policy Ideas For magnora7 To Consider - And For Your Feedback by JasonCarswell in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Added.

Vote manipulation and possible solution by zyxzevn in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]zyxzevn[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No proof.
I see weird posts rising to the top without reason,
but that could be via other ways too.
Just that this happens more the last month.

I also see more posts from users promoting their site.

On reddit and imgur vote manipulations are pretty standard,
so I think that it would help to be prepared.
Those posts usually start with a few quick upvotes to push them into rising/popular.

Preparing for the next wave of extreme censorship by zyxzevn in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]zyxzevn[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Voat has a bots that transfers posts to twitter and some news websites to an web-archive.

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[–]HegeMoney 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's an interesting suggestion. I'm not sure about the technical changes to do this, but it sounds reasonably doable.

It would be interesting if a pdf of the webpage could be automatically generated at the time of the submission creation, and saved with the submission link.

Essentially, an artifact document to prove the information existed.

Importing The Weebs by CompleteDoubterII in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]TumbleweedFireflies 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think it's a good look to target a specific sub. It just makes you as a user, and whatever you're suggesting, look bad and get dismissed as agenda-posting. Stand on your own two feet and speak your truth instead of gathering a mob behind you before you do so.

Besides, rallying other people together and forming a brigade is exactly what THEY do all day, every day. It's effective and overlooked on the Reddit platform because Admins are pussies, but is that really what we want to be here and make this site into? We're supposed to be getting away from that bullshit.

However, I do think it's absolutely fine to bring up SaidIt as an alternative when the discussion comes up naturally. And I don't fault anyone for looking for those opportunities to speak up.

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[–]CompleteDoubterII[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've posted a meme to GoodAnimemes promoting Reddit alternatives. It hasn't been removed, unlike my Animemes post.

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[–]CompleteDoubterII[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is a copy of what I wrote up for the Whatever subsaidit, at the recommendation of the user Aureus.

Create a "mod permissions" Wiki/FAQ page here by TumbleweedFireflies in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]d3rr 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Add it man, that'd be great.

Proposed SaidIt Policy Ideas For magnora7 To Consider - And For Your Feedback by JasonCarswell in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for that info. I'll read it in a bit. I find it a freaking shame that M7 isn't more open about stuff like that. Then again, I haven't been keeping up on current events much lately anyway. I understand he has pressures but it would go down much easier for the rest of us if we actually were aware instead of him "sneaking around" and/or "protecting us" like that. I'm guessing ultimately it was justified or you would have said more.

FYI, it's not just the Commie-Marxists nor just the ZioCons (who just let it all happen unchallenged) - it's the entire totalitarian corporatocracy.

I aim to improve WikiSpooks by developing ways to present stuff to normies. For example: an easy glossary of deepstate and tradecraft (spycraft) terms that most people don't fully understand. Honeytrap and psyop may be pretty well known, but deepstate, pedogate, limited hangout, sheep dipping, crisis actor, Building 7, Gladio B, noble lie, Agenda 21, Hegelian dialectic, Machiavellianism, Hanlon's razor, ponerology, kakistocracy, B.I.S., monopoly on violence, dynamic silence, etc etc etc ad nauseum are largely foreign to most people.

I also want to bridge the WS and SI communities to be more crossover interactive and we're developing some ideas to pitch to everyone. Some stuff recently just came up (at least suddenly to me) and we'll soon be discussing it all completely openly soon, once we figure out how to start the conversation without looking like we're winging it (which we are). I had a lot of plans for WS in the fall but some might actually have to happen ASAP. Some of this stuff we've been loosely dreaming and spitballing for ages, but now it seems we need to do or die and actually make it happen. Some of it is ambitious. Some of it could be epic. Or maybe it will suck. If we don't try we won't know. Sorry to sound so mysterious, but much will all come out soon. You and everyone will be very welcome to join in and help in anyway you see fit.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm happy you've received these well, as intended.

I hadn't even considered putting a timer on the bans to automate the process - good idea, though I understand why coding it might not be a priority. I was only thinking more about a policy for a "time out". Further, it would also provide you an opportunity to actually apply punishment without it being permanent. Whether you choose to use it more frequently, to show how serious you are and that you mean it, or whether you choose to avoid it at all costs, is up to you. Having an open wiki record of it (or a private txt file or calendar reminder) could be easier than coding all that. Further - you could delegate the record keeping responsibilities to someone. (I don't volunteer for any of these, though I'm always open to do design work.)

What I think you missed about the public square is that you can let the people do their drama, and when they arrive at a conclusion, your trusted advisor(s) (of your choice) who have been following along can come to you with the verdict that's publicly and/or democratically reached among their peers. Ideally they resolve it among themselves. At worse it's Mad Max Thunderdome drama that's not much different than any other sub where opposing views are thrown about. The only time you'd need to step in is if someone were to slide way down the pyramid, which happens from time to time anyway, and your advisors will let you know - or if your advisors summarize and present the case to inform you that the people demand the axe. While the visage of an executioner is not pretty, IMO, it's less repulsive than being the judge, jury, and executioner. (Finding good advisors/referees might not be easy, or maybe it would.)

Ultimately the primary goal is to keep you free of the drama and let the people sort it out themselves - thus freeing up more of your time. Of course you can always lurk and/or step in at any time.

IMO, it's worth an experiment to see if it's viable. If it fails then that's too bad. If we don't try then we'll never know, and to me that's doubly too bad squared. At the very least we'd learn something and have a "Public Square" (or Tea Room, or whatever name you like), kinda like the chat but not.

Please reconsider and give it a test run. Or - before that giant leap, take a little step and ask people what they think about it. Maybe they'll like it. Or maybe it really is a lame idea. Or maybe they'll offer additional ideas and insights to make it better and convince you. We'll never know unless you ask. And you'll never know if it was a good way to free up your time.

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[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for the ideas. We already give people 2 strikes, and those strikes are always public unless they're just new accounts clearly abusing the system. Levels of banishment would be nice, like a 24h ban and a week-long ban would be nice, but someone has to code this, and I think this idea is like number 75 on our to-do list that's almost 100 items long...

The public square idea is interesting, but I think reality it would just lead to very long protracted arguments about what belongs and what doesn't all the time, and I don't think that's beneficial for the website, nor do I have the time or energy to do so on a regular basis. You're basically asking me to spend my day getting in to fights with people about if they belong, in public, on a regular basis. Talk about emotionally draining... It's already taxing enough as it is.

Thanks for the thoughts though, I do appreciate people looking in to how saidit could improve.

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[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

But that secrecy is only critical to administration of the site - not the policies on how it's utilized and moderated.

Public moderation logs are really awesome. We had an issue recently with Magnora deleting loads of posts and some comments on IP2...After IP2 mods complained and demanded reasons for such actions, it turned out mag was getting notice emails from the hosting provider to "handle" this content. It's really interesting , https://saidit.net/s/Ice_Poseidon2/comments/5a2y/magnora_is_currently_removing_old_posts_he/ this exchange. I've told you before, (((marxists))) are coming for all of us, but first it will be people like him who are free speech facilitators.

WikiSpooks is awesome, I read it all the time. God bless you as well for being a part of that.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No doubt. Censorship is a legit issue here too. I've had unclarified 2 strikes (or more) like an axe over my head for well over a year with no recourse or say in the arbitrary matter. I've decided not to give a shit about that and just be myself anyway and let the community defend me if it comes to that, unless I actually make a legit mistake or few. Others have had the axe dropped on them where it might have been much better had others stepped in to diffuse it. Or maybe it would have been worse drama. We'll never know and we never get the chance to find out if there is a better way unless we ask for and get change.

It seems like a chicken or egg thing to me. Policy and population. Is it easier to course correct after or lay down the path first? Or even more importantly - do we even get a say?

I agree about the anonymous discretion stuff. Though unless the NSA is bullshitting us about recording everything, they already know who he is and could likely have him squashed like a bug any time they want (with some martyr blow-back). Same for any of us. But that secrecy is only critical to administration of the site - not the policies on how it's utilized and moderated.

I certainly had hopes that SaidIt could be a better librarian-friendly organized site for researching content, but that ship has long since sailed (and that's why in the fall I'll also be doing more on and for WikiSpooks). I can tolerate the general chaos (growing with new members), yet still find there's hope for not only improved policies on our community's "justice system" but also terrific potential to help M7 co-manage ourselves to make his life easier to better handle the incoming chaos.

The dishes and laundry and chores are piling up with the weight of the world - so the parents get the kids to clean up after themselves and do some chores to make life easier and fair for everyone. Simple shit man. It's not reinventing the rocket surgery. We can do better.

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[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, hell yea dude, there are a lot of issues, but they are microscopic in comparison to the censorship games I'm used to on other boards... I've seen it so much in the past. Moderation and arbitration on internet forums really is an authentic mirror for the corruption of human species in general.

It IS a popularity contest. But I'm more interested in the popularity of ideas and you can't have popularity without populace. It's one of those priority issues imo...It might be more of a priority to first attract the population and then think of democratic ways of governing over them.

Having a secretive admin is comparable to getting an auto-response from Silicon Valley and unless there's interactivity and community and purpose SaidIt is only a tool to be used until it is shut down, bought out, or we get banished.

Can only operate on good faith here. The owner has left us a very extensive git repository to carry on in case he falls ill to anything of the above mentioned. The owner might also be risking a lot, possibly his IRL job and income. the need for discretion might be critical.

I think I got your number tho. The main thing that's pissing you off is the lack of structure, being the librarian type that you are...As a chaotic personality like myself, I find that funny, that you're irritated so much lol.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for chiming in. While I may or may not agree on some things, I value all opinions.

" I see absolutely nothing wrong with current system of regulating speech or behavior on Saidit... "

Without getting all COVID fear porn on you about imaginary threats, just because you don't see a problem doesn't mean there haven't been any. Also, you aren't the disciplinarian here, and the admin, and coder, and security, and leadership, and and and... My main goal is to lighten and redistribute the load and stress and to open things up for democratic input.

" I'm a simple man, I see something right, I will not try and fix it. "

Wisdom. Yet every passing day and every new user evolves SaidIt. Change is inevitable. Steering the change requires intention.

" But, if you used that organizing to for instance make people into promoters of Saidit on the wider net, that would be so beneficial! "

I love it! I've been doing my part in this regard here there and everywhere over the last 20 months. I also have a short animation that I need to finish for a SaidIt promo as well as ideas about SaidIt based aggregated newsletters for people who don't have time to filter through dozens and dozens of posts - plus some ideas about merchandising. But if we can't even talk to admin, get some decent "justice", and/or even get a "donate" button in the top right corner, then what point is there promoting a limited system that may not even be able to handle more people. Having a secretive admin is comparable to getting an auto-response from Silicon Valley and unless there's interactivity and community and purpose SaidIt is only a tool to be used until it is shut down, bought out, or we get banished.

One more thing about reaching out. On the Ripple Effect there was an all-start truth-seeker video show and much of what they were talking about was the censorship thing, the diversity of options out there and the problems with all that. Meanwhile NONE of them were realizing that SaidIt is the aggregating truther-friendly hub they're all looking for to centrally post about their content off-site, regardless of what platform or archive system(s). IMO, we should really be hounding them, our favourite content producers, to post here to reach everyone. A good viral video might help.

" We need more users, more redpilled people who would like to contribute. "

Couldn't agree more. I'd love to see less left-right bickering.

" Basically, for a popular message boards you need loyal mods who are at the same time content machines and are pretty much on the same page...There should also be some kind of a financial incentive there, some revenue share program. "

I agree generally. Specifically, I have mixed feelings about "content machines". Quality is always better than quantity, and IMO that also includes organization. (SaidIt's search is lame, the subs are chaos, there are no metatags, people post in the same subs regardless of topical content, etc. Laziness abounds and there was nothing done to prevent it. Researchers here have their work cut out for them unnecessarily. But what's done is done.) Same page - generally. I know M7 was keen on bringing on some kind of crypto reward thing. I like the idea too. I have concerns about how it might be implemented as in other cases there have been imbalances and such. Steemit has whales rewarded for content, curating, and commenting. Other things have been rigged too. Half the time it's a popularity contest not based on merit - plus people get stingy with their votes. There's already an arbitrary 40 sub limit for COVID-like precrime "reasons" like maybe someone might abuse their mod powers. (How about if someone is abusive then you deal with it, rather than preemptively limit them for anti-sub-hoarding appearances.) If SaidIt monetized then suddenly this whole place might take on a new darker character and whether it's subs or posts or comments or whatever that generates the cash, people will be after it. I already know of some loopholes though I haven't used them, nor had to. But I digress... generally speaking, financial revenues would be nice. It would be nicer if it were open, transparent, and trustworthy.

Proposed SaidIt Policy Ideas For magnora7 To Consider - And For Your Feedback by JasonCarswell in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That didn't ping me..I wonder why, maybe I have mentions off in settings... Anyways, I like that you are trying to organize regular users...but I don't understand why in this matter...I see absolutely nothing wrong with current system of regulating speech or behavior on Saidit....

I'm a simple man, I see something right, I will not try and fix it.

But, if you used that organizing to for instance make people into promoters of Saidit on the wider net, that would be so beneficial! We need more users, more redpilled people who would like to contribute. Could make planned actions to "spread the word" that this is the real free speech and exchange of ideas zone!

Basically, for a popular message boards you need loyal mods who are at the same time content machines and are pretty much on the same page...There should also be some kind of a financial incentive there, some revenue share program.

Proposed SaidIt Policy Ideas For magnora7 To Consider - And For Your Feedback by JasonCarswell in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. As well as a lot of technical ideas and more, much of it is even organized in the (Wiki List)[https://saidit.net/wiki/index#wiki_wiki_list) going back over a year and a half ago. And most of it has been ignored. Much understandably - considering there were only 2 of them trying to revive the old Frankenstein Reddit-code and improve on it - while also trying to run the site, avoid attacks, admin, mod, and keep up on current events. No small task. But also not delegated. Keeping the cards close to the chest can be wise and it can also keep you isolated and limited, not to mention stressed, strained, and overtaxed - and under-thanked.

I'm hoping this might inspire a decent conversation and maybe light some fires under peoples asses and imaginations and/or even get people to all ask for something(s). Ultimately it all comes down to the approval or veto of one guy with many great ideas for SaidIt, yet limited, being only human.

While I'm primarily preoccupied with stuff for a few months, eventually upon my "return" I may even become motivated to start conversations about developing another new SaidIt-like site that is more organized to be better utilized for research (well organized subs, categories, metatags, etc), with better voting tools, broader decentralization, and with MUCH more open transparent democracy on policies, site goals, marketing/funding, etc. I would even expect to become a minority on some issues on this new site, but that comes with democracy. However, I'm just not a coder guy, so all I can do is talk about much of it impotent without an army of coders. Or, another option would be to find a very popular existing open-source forum with some robust functionality and custom skin it to appear and act much like SaidIt/Reddit does, and then introduce the extra features. Again, easier said than done. But honestly, I'd rather just improve SaidIt than DivideIt, and if any of us were to make a serious effort and fork off, it would absolutely have to be significantly different and improved, both technically and community-wise - not just another Reddit-Lite. (I wish I'd bothered to learn what forum software the QxR was using before they packed it in as that was excellent, though very different that the Reddit-style. I'm not too forum savvy.)

Proposed SaidIt Policy Ideas For magnora7 To Consider - And For Your Feedback by JasonCarswell in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

/u/magnora7, /u/d3rr, /u/Tom_Bombadil, /u/useless_aether, /u/Jesus, /u/MojaveCoyote, /u/i_cansmellthat, /u/OldManCorley, /u/Froglich, /u/FormosaOolong, /u/Vigte, /u/YoungBriteEyedCorley, /u/Alduin, /u/Mnemonic, /u/Broken-needles350, /u/wizzwizz4, /u/SundogsPlace, /u/StalwartJames, /u/BillionDollarEgg3, /u/kazenmusic, /u/WikiSpooks, /u/Robin, /u/happysmash27, /u/Rixon, /u/Voracious_Observer, /u/fred_red_beans, /u/Orangutan, /u/althekemist, /u/TheWebOfSlime, /u/hennaojisan, /u/Zombi, /u/EndlessSunflowers, /u/sawboss, /u/VantaFount, /u/Stankmango, /u/Entropick, /u/HibikiBlack, /u/Optimus85, /u/deumae, /u/CompleteDoubterII, /u/SierraKiloBravo, /u/Tiwaking, /u/HeyImSancho, /u/Snow, /u/go1dfish, /u/NPC, /u/beermeem, /u/techiejames, /u/Myrkskog, /u/x0x7, /u/Hellothereawesome, /u/a_man_a_plan_pancake, /u/zyxzevn, /u/Enza, /u/AbeFroman, /u/Jesus-Christ, /u/AnarchySpeach, /u/Zahn, /u/Velocity, /u/hennaojichan, /u/kokolokoNightcrawler, /u/book-of-saturday, /u/Aureus, /u/riyasteve, /u/Horrux, /u/christine_grab, /u/azaad, /u/Speak_Easier, /u/TiredJustTired, /u/PikonParadox, /u/DeWhoDeWho, /u/nbatman, /u/MarquisBoniface, /u/ElifromtheBook, /u/Questionable, /u/diogenesjunior, in no particular order.

Noted friends (and apologies to friends I've neglected to include), I don't want to spam but in this case I hope you can forgive me and chime in on this post, even if it's to chide me. I'm making this extra effort to gain traction on an even faster front page in the midst of the perpetual news cycle of the absurd. I hope you'll see my intentions are good and maybe agree that together we can help SaidIt and each other improve - and perhaps some of you may offer other better ideas to consider.

Proposed SaidIt Policy Ideas For magnora7 To Consider - And For Your Feedback by JasonCarswell in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Not just banning, but I'd also like to see a more democratic approach to policies too, not that we really need to much if anything on that front, at present. Usually the policies just gets handed down, and then people comment on it. That's worked so far, but I'd rather see the problem thrown out there with a request for solution ideas.

I'd also love for there to be an active SaidIt roadmap with software plans, site goals, community goals, etc. with an occasional changelog type update of things that have been accomplished, upgrades, remaining issues, and problems (much like the /s/SaiditCanary). It doesn't have to be regular or monthly even and it certainly needn't be a long manifesto. I'm guessing some of this may already be on GitHub (which is all Greek to me and others). Armed with this info we might be able to collectively be more proactive and raise funds for code-bounties if there was a particular function that was desired but needed code development. If nothing else, a roadmap would help make SaidIt feel less ephemeral, rudderless, and potentially censored/shut down at any moment - while providing a more driving purpose and a stronger sense of community meaning for those who may seek it.

Above all, I'd love for us to find better ways of working together and to ease the stresses, strains, and burdens of M7 in whatever ways we can. We can't help if we don't know about them. Maybe I've missed it, but to my knowledge M7 is not one to ask for help or delegate when he probably could or should.

Proposed SaidIt Policy Ideas For magnora7 To Consider - And For Your Feedback by JasonCarswell in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]Optimus85 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Those are pretty good ideas. I'm all for more transparency and a more democratic approach to banning.

Proposed SaidIt Policy Ideas For magnora7 To Consider - And For Your Feedback by JasonCarswell in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's more a little disappointing at the weak response (after only 2 hours) and that every time I bring up things like these few people notice, despite always having great feedback in the comments. It's almost like, dare I say, policy issues are being suppressed. Or, more likely, people don't like reading blocks of text - even if it means improving this site and their lives.

Ideas on decentralizing SaidIt, inspired by today's chat between M7 and D3. by JasonCarswell in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]yellow_algebra_31 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

bump

Block/hide users by Flesh in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]yellow_algebra_31 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'd love to see this feature!

With the current system if I'm not enjoying someone's content, I have to directly interact with them if I want to add them to my content filter list, which creates an unnecessary conflict point.

There is an option in Reddit to block a user after reporting their content, maybe it would be easy to add something like that to SaidIt too.

Perhaps, a preview... by kokolokoNightcrawler in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep, I imagine it shouldn't be too many lines of to grab the url and put it in a collapsing iframe, sandboxed or not...I personally don't like clicking away from saidit when i wanna quickly check some content out...I dunno if it's the same for others? It should also positively influence the scoring of posts by users who are still reading the content on Saidit instead of on the other platform. Anyways ,Thanks for your time man.

Perhaps, a preview... by kokolokoNightcrawler in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It could be cool and it's not that much work. So in addition to seeing a little 'JPG' button link after image urls, to expand them where they are in the post or comment, the proposal is a new 'PAGE' or 'IFRAME' button link after random urls, that will load arbitrary links/web pages in full, in an iframe.

Our chat widget is an iframe, for example, if you're not familiar, it's an embedded other web page in this page. Your browser loads the crap directly.

SaidIt Jobs Sub and More Solutions by JasonCarswell in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This might be opposing the "no-ads" rules of Saidit? But, maybe just linking to other established job directories out there is fine?

""In addition to the employment listings and solutions subs, I would hope that folks might consider how we might cultivate community resources, projects, networks, and so forth. Maybe folks might want to form their own online virtual company / service / store / studio / workercoop to develop their project(s) or goal(s). ""

It would be awesome if this forum got ad monetized and offered some crypto revenue sharing for traffic opportunities.

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[–]FreeJulianAssange 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

HAs this been implemented yet? I'm trying to use saidit, but I'm much bothered by some users like chipit and morphos spamming links all over the front page all leading to their fringe faken-news site. Can I stop this somehow and make the site sufferable?

SaidIt Jobs Sub and More Solutions by JasonCarswell in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I take it no one wants to discuss this?

Individual custom block lists. Herd immuity feature against trolls. by MostlySunnySkies in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]Drewski 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Sounds like reddit masstagger. You could modify it and make a version for Saidit, but it's not something I'd want to see implemented on a sitewide level.

Individual custom block lists. Herd immuity feature against trolls. by MostlySunnySkies in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

And who watches the watchers?

Sure we could leave all the authority and blocking and so forth in someone else's hands or even the admins, magnora7 and d3rr, but ultimately you're not only putting your faith in their judgement and authority, but you're also burdening them while shirking your own responsibilities. If you push it onto bots, then you're losing compassion, discernment, and critical thinking while becoming a slave to the limits of the bot's code. Further, if you've got time to code a bot, you've got time to code improvements for the greater good of SaidIt, not your feels.

IMO, every SaidIt user has the responsibility to participate towards making this a site worth having, whatever that may mean to each individual. That means also being part of the community cohesiveness and security, including reporting problems so that mods and admins can address them sooner than later after they've festered because you were too lazy to do something.

That said, developing better ways to qualify and quantify the Pyramid Of Debate would be nice. For example, there are no standards. If someone were to collect and categorize a large set of illustrative examples for comparison and for consensus as reference then some issues wouldn't seem so arbitrary. This may be a slippery slope into endless realms of references, much like legal records and law books, of which no one can possibly be expected to read, like fine print.

Individual custom block lists. Herd immuity feature against trolls. by MostlySunnySkies in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

^

Individual custom block lists. Herd immuity feature against trolls. by MostlySunnySkies in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]fred_red_beans 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This is groupthink. Would serve the same function as downvote brigades IMO.

If you are not interested in a differing point of view, why are you here OP?

Operational Expenses Percentage Bar - For SaidIt? by JasonCarswell in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I understand why the admins refuse to advertise or even remotely seem influenced, and that's noble. But to be honest, I don't know why M7D3 don't make it a little easier to contribute, by making the donate button more apparent than just at the footer, such as in the sidebar or header.

I've also suggested they could survey the people to ask about features, then determine a price, and offer a code bounty reward, and then they could check over the code and implement it. Maybe I'm over simplifying by a mile.

Operational Expenses Percentage Bar - For SaidIt? by JasonCarswell in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]oaf 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Did OP hear anything further in response to this idea? I like it. It’s almost like involving users in achieving a common goal.

Operational Expenses Percentage Bar - For SaidIt? by JasonCarswell in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Didn't know they had one. Perfect example. Just for looks - even better.

Operational Expenses Percentage Bar - For SaidIt? by JasonCarswell in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Didn't know they had one. Perfect example.

Operational Expenses Percentage Bar - For SaidIt? by JasonCarswell in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]macadoum 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The idea is good. The donation bar on Tildes.net is pretty good. It could be an inspiration.

Operational Expenses Percentage Bar - For SaidIt? by JasonCarswell in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]x0x7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I like the one on cock.li.

Reporting a sub says "Reddit admins". (Is there a different way I should report these?) by la_cues in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That one was mostly out of laziness, because it was just a link to info, but I went ahead and replicated that wiki article on saidit so it's all in-house now. Thanks :)

I'm glad my guess about you and Where's Waldo was correct hah :)

Reporting a sub says "Reddit admins". (Is there a different way I should report these?) by la_cues in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]la_cues[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Waldo and those I Spy books are the only things that I consider a pure art form in this world.

In user prefs > privacy options > "don't allow search engines to index my user profile (details)" ... "details" links to a reddit.com wiki page.

Reporting a sub says "Reddit admins". (Is there a different way I should report these?) by la_cues in IdeasForSaidIt

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh wow you found another one, nice job. It's seriously been like 6 months before someone was able to find one, and you found two! I'm impressed. I just fixed it.

You must be really good at those Where's Waldo books