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[–]QuondamPhysics 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Considering the subtitle of this sub is "Male Radical Feminist Allies" I'm kind of wondering at both the post and the comments and if I'm in the right sub, but whatever. Here's my two cents.

I saw this video once of a mixed-sex classroom who were told to march in place. The girls immediately began lockstepping with each other, following the same rhythm and movements, while the boys went off-time, found their own groove, basically did their own thing. Primate cultures in the wild like the bonobos, chimps, macaques, etc., have a female-dominated society, the females congregating in groups while the males circling the fringes, occasionally even trying their fortune in other groups. In these cases the "Alpha Male" is merely the male the alpha female chose as a mate, and all those bros who go around talking about "alphas" and "betas" are basically co-opting canine pack culture, but I digress. Gorillas are different of course but they're far more distinct genetically from humans than bonobos.

So from this admittedly shallow understanding of anthropology I therefore submit that the concept of "inclusivity" is a female one. Females instinctively work to establish bonds and hierarchies in the community, while males stick around only if it works for them. Heterosexual males work to find their way in, whether by proving their worth, or if that fails, guile, manipulation, social gamesmanship, etc., with the ultimate goal of improving their mating opportunities, to have women play along with their sex fantasies about femininity, or just to gain a sympathetic female ear, or even some combination of all three. By instinctively decorating themselves in female plumage and engaging in their highly stylized performances of femininity, otherwise heterosexual TIMs (Trans-Identifying Males) circle female spaces like predators looking to be allowed in, while the arbiters of said community are inclined to let them out of their instinct to create relationships with those with which they believe to have common ground, or more often, someone who appears to be in need of help, hence why TIMs tend to exaggerate their feelings of persecution.

The desire for inclusion is what created "liberal" feminism; women want what the rest of us want. They want people to like them. They want to be part of the group, part of the team, they want to have friends they can hang out and party with on a weekend. Second Wave feminists weren't "liked". They were angry. They had beef. Many had suffered abuse at the hands of men and in their quest to understand their trauma and systematize the recovery of their psyche, they, unfortunately, had their glance behind the curtain and saw how rusty and rotten the whole contraption was. Their lives, their anger, and anything they had to say contradicted the fantasies we all have for our lives that we, as a society, aspire to: love, adventure, safety, exceptionality. Third wave feminists are told by their elders that all the tools they use to make themselves special - their looks, their cosmetic prowess, their perceived accessibility, their good nature and flexible personal boundaries - are the same tools society uses to exploit them, to make demands and to coerce things from them, and third wavers didn't like that at all. Being desired is addictive and you can't kick the habit until you hit rock bottom.

Lesbians in particular are vulnerable to the concept of inclusion because, traditionally, lesbians are outcasts. With the onset of socially acceptable corporate-sponsored queer culture, young lesbians and bisexuals are being offered the chance to be included with the cool kids. And not just included, but at the apex of a fabulous society of like-minded people of all races, sexes, gender identities, pronouns and letters of the alphabet. Their elder sisters tell them they're being used, manipulated; that the men in dresses they surround themselves with are predators, whether sexually or emotionally, narcissistic energy vampires draining away their life energy at best, sexually assaulting them at worst. But these younger lesbians look at the lives their sisters have led. Lonely, solitary existences, rejected by their families, fetishized by porn-obsessed men (at least if they're attractive), their dating pools so small that they're constantly in the position of having to date each other's exes if they can even find someone at all. And on top of that, lesbian gatekeepers telling them they're not lesbian enough. They're too femme. Too butch. They're not "gold star". They want to have kids. They don't want to have kids. It's not even the older lesbians' fault, really. All of them have stories about being burned by straight women who were just experimenting. All of them can relate to being left by their partner for a man. No thanks, say the young lesbians, or rather, "queer women". It's time to dye my hair and party at the Pride parade with a great big mass of queerness so large I can just disappear into the gestalt. My exceptional self can join a collective of like-minded specials and together our hive-mind will achieve an apotheosis of love and acceptance of all humanity for all eternity. 'Cause the human race is just peachy ya'll! I'm sure as hell not living on some ranch out in the middle of nowhere with no WiFi and no cell service, planting alfalfa sprouts with a bunch of ugly used-up dykes just because some man in eyeliner is watching me pee through the gap in the door to the bathroom stall! Forget that.

Oh well. Unfortunately no one's prepared any of these people for old age. TIMs will go from drag queen to just plain drag. Pretty soon they'll have problems that cosmetic surgery or hormones just can't fix and the Big Pharma/Medical industry will find some other gullible demographic and leave them to rot. TIFs (Trans-Identifying Females) will literally go insane from the unnecessary medical procedures they inflicted on themselves in their youth, since hysterectomies substantially increase the chances of early-onset dementia in women ages 40-49. Third Wave feminists' looks will fade, their desirability will disappear, they'll lose their specialness, and vanish outside of society's notice. Young queer women will become old queer women, only these old women will find that their other queer friends have all disappeared, and they no longer have a community to reach out to, unlike the TERFs and those older dykes who've been sharing pot-luck dinners and mutual support for decades. By then, who knows. The Furries will probably be in charge. Animal rights activism will have a whole new meaning when people manage to legally declare themselves livestock.

EDIT: punctuation and grammar

[–]FlippyKing 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm pretty sure this sub was created by one of the women who set up the main GC sub, when the writing was on the wall at Reddit. That, I think, is where that unfortunate subtitle came from. I think being GC is not the same thing as being an "ally", and "ally" has been twisted into meaning a NPC.

But, very interesting observations you shared. Thanks!

[–]QuondamPhysics 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's... a solid point. It would be unfair and redundant to go to the trouble of making a non-radical-feminist gender critical allies sub, not to mention the loss of valid alternate perspectives in this one. And this sub's starved of content already. Fairly said.