Do individuals with CAIS have female sex organs? Or do they have male sex organs?

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[–]lefterfield 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No one encountering most CAIS individuals would mistake them for men. Many of them may not even be aware of their condition until puberty, or later. It is an irrelevant point to keep harping on and to keep comparing to other nonsense like "identifying as other species" - that is incredibly offensive. These people have a genetic defect, they are not insane. And DSDs are not an "arbitrary" exception. They are usually identified as females at birth. I don't give a fuck what they "identify" as, their doctor can make the determination better than you or the voices in anyone's head.

They are genetically male. Admit that you're making insane, offensive comparisons because you have no legitimate argument or nuanced understanding of DSDs, or shut up and go away.

[–]soundsituation 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No one encountering most CAIS individuals would mistake them for men.

Things have gotten heated in here and I don't want to pile on, but I'd like to respond to this part of your comment just to wonder out loud whether whether Olympic-level DSD athletes are representative of most DSD individuals appearance-wise, because just looking at the Tokyo games, two of the three DSD athletes (Margaret Niyonsaba and Beatrice Masilingi) are, in my opinion, easily identifiable as male. Christine Mboma looks more ambiguous.

Anyway, perhaps it's a trivial point but I still wonder.

[–]lefterfield 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Are they CAIS, though? I'm really not sure, and there's a lot of other DSD conditions they could have. Most of the pictures I've seen of CAIS individuals, they look like women. Regardless, I think there's an argument to be made that they shouldn't play in women's sports. Appearances aside, they aren't the same as women and their overrepresentation in many sports would make me suspect they have an unfair advantage.

[–]ColoredTwice 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They all have 5ARD condition. They are androgynous until puberty, but clearly male after puberty. Condition is rare, but few African countries are known for searching specifically for this condition in kids, to raise those kids "for female sports".

CAIS have female phenotype. Even when naked you would not say they are not women, as they have vulva, vaginal opening and clitoris-like structure.