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[–]BEB[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I got this off of SAIDIT's front page.

I don't know if this free speech site is right wing, but I (who am not right wing) am also very alarmed by the new Democratic party push to censor speech, which they seem to be doing in cahoots with Big Tech.

As GC feminists know all to well, for years now, Big Tech has censored legitimate criticism of gender ideology and the gender lobby, but now it seems they have the Democrats backing them up.

[–]whoamiwhowhowhowho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think we need to be careful to explicitly differentiate between unpopular philosophical/political beliefs (GC) and terrorist activity if we're going to talk about this. The right is up in arms about Big Tech censorship right now because they're upset Parler was taken down, but allegedly that site was hosting death/terror threats and was used to plan the Capitol attack. I agree that censorship of unpopular beliefs is an issue, but we need to be really careful to distinguish between that and what recently happened to Parler because it isn't the same issue at all if the accusations toward Parler are true. We really don't want to align or even appear to align with insurrectionists/terrorists and their sympathizers.

[–]BEB[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I agree to some extent, but my fear, which has always been my fear, is that who decides what is hate speech?

Trans Demands Activists have managed to convince a not-small swath of the US population, and some politicians and corporations, such as Twitter, that sentences like "Biological sex is real" and "Women don't have penises" are Literal Violence(!)

And it's not just the Far Right that are concerned by Big Tech censorship: many on the Left, the Middle, and the Center-Right have expressed public concern about Big Tech allied with government censorship since the storming of the US Capitol. Even Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany, has expressed concern, maybe because she spent a part of her life in the surveillance state of East Germany.

[–]whoamiwhowhowhowho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I definitely see the concern. I think it would be wiser for us to focus on arguing that those statements are not hate speech/literal violence than arguing against censoring illegal content, though, especially since all of us (hopefully) believe there are forms of illegal content that must be censored (e.g. child porn and revenge porn). Trying to differentiate between shades of illegal that companies like AWS, social media sites, etc. should and shouldn't be able to censor gets very complicated, especially when those companies don't want to open themselves up to questions about how legally responsible they are for that illegal activity.

I don't think the majority of the US believes words = literal violence, and I doubt most of them are even aware of that belief. A loud and influential part of the left believes that, but they aren't the majority of the country or even of people who vote. I think most people could be convinced to disagree with them with some well targeted education about what these people really believe.

And it's not just the Far Right that are concerned by Big Tech censorship: many on the Left, the Middle, and the Center-Right have expressed public concern about Big Tech allied with government censorship since the storming of the US Capitol.

I don't think people are truly aware of what was being posted on Parler. I saw a post that was basically equivalent to someone with an online audience who hates the company you work for posting that it would be a shame if someone bombed your workplace. Anyone would want that taken down.

[–]BEB[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But TiM activists are all over Twitter threatening to kill and rape "TERFs" and have been for years.

And Twitter does nothing. Well, except throw women who "misgender" ol' Wax My Balls off their platform.

In California, PROGRESSIVE California, the LGBT lobby has made misgendering in certain circumstances punishable by a jail sentence and (or?) a $1000 fine. Seriously, you can go to jail in the country's most liberal state for refusing to lie.

For years, MAPs (Minor Attracted Persons- the new name for pedophiles) were (are?) all over Twitter exchanging all sorts of possibly illegal information about their sexual desires, and Twitter did nothing.

And we know what's allowed on REDDIT (rape fantasies & TiMs talking about used tampons) and what's not (us).

I have been a politics watcher for decades and have never felt as much of a threat to free speech as I do now, and free speech is very much one of my issues. In fact, a lot of what the Democrats have done since taking office has spooked me and I fucking HATED Trump and hate the GOP.

The Democrats seem to have some kind of Brave New World planned, and are going full speed ahead, even if it means they lose 2022. Reordering the notion of biological sex seems to be part of it, which frightens the fuck out of me, because no matter what, women will lose.