Suddenly it’s like their lesbianism never existed :(

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[–]MarkTwainiac 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I take your point. Apologies for the misrepresentation. I've previously used the correct definition.

What I'm confused about - and thrown by - is the fashionable new idea that those who publicly deny their sexual orientation, or try to hide it with the new identity labels now in vogue such as "fluid" and "queer," or pretend to have an entirely different orientation, are not actually the orientation they in fact are coz "we have to believe people are who they say they are."

According to identity politics today, the only thing that counts is not who one actually is attracted to, who one dates or beds, or what sex one is - but how one labels oneself or "identifies." The identity crowd says the reality of people's feelings and attractions, their actual behaviors, nor their biological sex actually matter - all that matters are the labels that people choose to slap on themselves.

Along with this, there seems to be a new corresponding belief among young people today that no one is gay, bi, straight, trans or whatever until they publicly announce it on social media - or if they're a public figure like Sam Smith, Eddie Izzard or Kevin Spacey, until they issue a press release or reveal it in a media appearance. According to the new thinking, it's unseemly to speculate about or make any assumptions about another person's sexuality based on their behaviors until they tell us with words what their sexuality is - just the way as it's unseemly to assume a person' sex until they tell us "how they identify." Therefore, it's wrong to consider Liberace gay coz he publicly denied it all his life - and his attorneys and estate continued to do so after his death.

So now we have straight men calling themselves women and lesbians, and lesbians claiming to be men and straight men to boot. And a whole lot of straight people are calling themselves "queer" so they can pretend to be part of the "LGBTQ." At the same time, many lesbians are trying to dissociate themselves from being lesbians by calling themselves "fluid," bi, pan, saying they don't like labels, avoiding the convo altogether, or saying their pronouns are now "he/him" or "they/them."

BTW, I wouldn't assume someone who dates no one is asexual. Lots of people of all sexualities don't date for all sorts of reasons. That's called celibacy, not asexuality.

Again, my apologies for my poor choice of words.

But as to you saying

you're just as bad as TRAs...And you're not being only lesbophobic, but also biphobic.

Hurling ridiculous, baseless ad hominems and accusations of "phobia" don't make for convincing arguments.

[–]VioletRemi 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There are febfems - female exclusive bisexual females. This still not making them lesbians.

Even if bisexual woman is dating only women, she is still bisexual and not representing lesbians, as she still finds men attractive and can be aroused by men, can talk about dating men or liking PiV sex. That is not good role models or example for young lesbians, as because of many bisexual women, who are calling themselves lesbians and because of lesbophobia with "lesbian sex is not real sex, you are virgin until you try penis" and who are dating and sleeping with women to be "virgins" before the find "right man" - many men thinking that they can be "the right dick" for us and we will start dating or loving them, like other "lesbians" did. That is why actual lesbian is needed to look for.

gender identity politics

According to their ideology, we are attracted not to females, but to femininity. So "feminine" transwomen, drag queens and "feminine" men are in our dating pool. They are completely forgetting that butch lesbians is a thing when saying this. But when transwoman is making 0 effort to pass and looking like a regular man with beard, they are remembering butch lesbians and calling themselves like that - aka "you are liking butch lesbians, and I am butch trans-lesbian".

[–]oofreesouloo 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you so much. Almost no one actually respects us, lesbians, even the ones who try to fight for women's rights don't respect us.

[–]oofreesouloo 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

According to identity politics today, the only thing that counts is not who one actually is attracted to, who one dates or beds, or what sex one is - but how one labels oneself or "identifies."

Exactly and that's why subs like LGBDropTheT exist because we're strongly against that very idea.

BTW, I wouldn't assume someone who dates no one is asexual. Lots of people of all sexualities don't date for all sorts of reasons. That's called celibacy, not asexuality.

So why do you use here a certain logic but with lesbianism you use a different logic? You lack consistency. If a bisexual women decides for a certain period of time (because it doesn't need to be forever) not to date men, for example, she would be "celibate" in a way in what regards to relationships of the opposite sex. She chose not to date opposite sex members, but it doesn't mean she suddenly lesbian.

At the same time, many lesbians are trying to dissociate themselves from being lesbians by calling themselves "fluid," bi, pan, saying they don't like labels, avoiding the convo altogether, or saying their pronouns are now "he/him" or "they/them."

This is unfortunately true. But guess what? Even if this is the case with Kristen Stewart or Cara Delevingne, a self-hating lesbian is no role model for young lesbians, sorry. A self-hating lesbian who is uncapable to say she's a lesbian is no role model. And we can assume things sure, but we can never be 100% whether they're lesbian or not. And the fact is neither of them came out as lesbians. So yes, Ellen Page was one of the few people we can was a lesbian role model. Apart from her (and a few other names like Ellen Degeneres and Portia de Rossi), we lack lesbian visibility a lot.

Hurling ridiculous, baseless ad hominems and accusations of "phobia" don't make for convincing arguments.

I've explained why I called you that in comments and I maintain my words. And I keep on explaining. Just own it that you were lesbophobic and biphobic.

Anyway, I've said it all so far. No further interest keeping this conversation, honestly. I'm fed up of these type of long answers trying to convince people that lesbianism isn't just exclusively attracted to females. I'm out. Have a nice day

[–]MezozoicGay 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Exactly and that's why subs like LGBDropTheT exist because we're strongly against that very idea.

It is not what we are strongly against, it is not what we are. Homosexuality is not a choice, not a performance and not what you are showing, it is just exclusive attraction to people of same sex as you are. Nothing less, nothing more.

[–]oofreesouloo 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, you put it into words much better than I did. Thank you.