Buck Angel doubles down - "You know this type of transgender hate is the reason why we can’t move forward. Respect gets respect. A transgender woman is a transgender woman." Respect gets respect?!?!? Hey Buck, Tell that to JK Rowling.

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[–]MinisterOfTerfery 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Gender critical women should stop being naive that gender critical trans people are out allies. They are not. They want the "bad trans people" not to be given access to our spaces and be treated as women, but they don't want the same thing to apply to them and other "good trans people". That's not how it works because there is no way to tell the difference. By this logic if a white person wants be called black we should do it as long as they are nice.

No men should be given access to women's spaces. No men should be called women. End of.

[–]Omina_Sentenziosa 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They want the "bad trans people" not to be given access to our spaces and be treated as women, but they don't want the same thing to apply to them and other "good trans people".

At this point, I don't even think the "good" ones don't want the bad ones around, I just think they want them to lay low for a while so that they won't give a bad name to the entire community. Once they reach a more stable position for all of them, I doubt the good ones will care about what the bad ones do.

[–]macaron 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a good point. They do seem to base a lot of their arguments around good vs bad, or real vs fake trans people, when the distinction of those things is very blurred or non-existent. (unlike disguishing males from females)

Can't use something so vague as a basis for a good argument.

[–]Kai_Decadence 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They also need to accept that you can't be both Gender Critical and Trans, they both conflict with each other. There is no "true trans", you either believe in the ideology or you don't, you can't have it both ways.

[–]macaron 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It must be facts over feelings. Women's safety over feelings.

Stating that transwomen are males, is not hate. It's facts.

This kind of stupid rhetoric about 'respect' is bullshit, when men are putting themselves into our spaces, our sports, into lesbian communities, etc.

[–]MezozoicGay 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This kind of stupid rhetoric about 'respect' is bullshit, when men are putting themselves into our spaces, our sports, into lesbian communities, etc.

If they don't respect your spaces and your opinion, why you should respect them?

[–]BiologyIsReal 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If they want respect so much, they could start with stoping the death and rape threats, the erasure of biology, the change of word meanings, the ignorance of women's boundaries, etc. Either way, biology is not hate and the obfuscation of language so far has only served to pushback against women's rights. Someone who have no idea about trangender ideology, when hearing about "trangender woman", may think it means a (real) woman who is trans.

[–]hmimperialtortie 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Pardon me if a pornographer isn’t someone I’ll take lectures about “respect” - or anything else - from, even if she is a deeply delusional and self-hating woman.