I've been seeing lots of things on social media about black tims "standing up for black women"? Like um when?

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[–]assignedcopatbirth 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

"the gay community values yall" yeah as reality show memes. Also LOL at the idea that cis black women can't be in the 'gay community' - look at the T casually forgetting lesbians exist again.

[–]Greykittymomma 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Um black women have enough bullshit to deal with without worrying about how men feel. Also, quit saying things like "black women are women". WE KNOW! This is getting ridiculous.

[–]forwardback 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Pulling the "gay community" card? Oh that's rich.

[–]Twobigdogs 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I dont know if, as a white woman, it is my place to say this but - this pisses me the fuck off. Black women are WOMEN, they have always been women, and trying to paint them as on par with TIM makes it seem like black women are sub human somehow. Black women haven't been sitting around waiting for the trans community to step in and give them their rights, either.

[–]lefterfield 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why wouldn't it be your place, as a woman, to say that other women are not men?

[–]Twobigdogs 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Honestly every time i say anything about race someone shows up to tell me to shut up because i have to rights to speak on it. Just used to defending myself i guess

[–]lefterfield 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I get it. It's sad, and I understand where you're coming from. I only wanted to rephrase what you said as a way of pointing out that there's absolutely nothing racist or anti-woman about it. And this should piss you off!

[–]Comprehensive-Ad-579 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Black women don't owe anyone, anything PERIOD! They have been stripped of their rights and acted as the punishing bag for everyone. Who ever is in need, will look to black women for support and understanding, but when it's time to give back, everyone is gone with the wind. I am not a black woman, but if I were, I wouldn't give a flying f*** about anyone, anymore, until they step up and show some respect. It's time for us as women to come together and have black women's back, and don't allow these men to guilt trip them into compliance.

[–]buttbuttinator 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They also claim they started Stonewall. I'm sure they also claim credit for other important moments in gay rights. Would no longer be surprised if they start claiming that the suffragettes were all trans men who were actually fighting for their right to be men.

[–]MarkTwainiac 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

In the US, attempts to "queer the women's suffrage movement" are well-entrenched. Whilst there has yet to be a move to center TIMs in the US suffrage movement, young historians are doing their best to erase all the lesbians and women in "Boston marriages" and other such arrangements involved in the suffrage struggle, rebranding them according to today's identity labels:

This article claims "many suffragists were what we’d now consider queer, gender fluid, or transgender."

https://www.them.us/story/queer-suffragist-history

NYTIMs [sic] article on "queering the suffrage movement":

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/14/us/queer-lesbian-women-suffrage.html

Taking a slightly different tack, this TIM queer theorist claims that women got the vote in the USA before TIMs did, saying

Not enough people understand that trans women received suffrage, if we ever did at all, much later than cis women.

Because (1a) all meaningful transfemale social practices were criminalized and felons could not vote, and because (1b) transfemale identity was clinicalized and the mentally ill could not vote.

He also claims

cis women always had suffrage any time they wanted, if they fooled others into believing they were men.

And that

it seems easy here to express trans women's oppression as occurring because we are male. I invite you to expand your political imagination by considering how it is because we are female: for example, there were also once routine assertions that cis women are failed men.

What he means there, I have no idea.

He also says that TIMs oppression is worse than "cis" women's oppression coz TIMs were forced into the closet, which is the ultimate oppression, and men having to live "in the closet" has caused them to experience far greater suffering than anything females have ever gone through or could imagine. Or sumpin' like dat.

https://twitter.com/9billiontigers/status/1210697811034927104?lang=en