Spotify employees trying to cancel Joe Rogan/ Abigail Shriers' "transphobic" podcast

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[–]BEB[S] 42 insightful - 3 fun42 insightful - 2 fun43 insightful - 3 fun -  (27 children)

Journalist and Yale Law School grad, Abigail Shrier, is the author of the book IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE, which is about minor females being sucked into the transgender craze.

Joe Rogan cut a very profitable deal to move to Spotify and it seems that almost immediately the children who work at Spotify want to censor Rogan for, what else? TRANSPHOBIA.

Shrier's extremely well-researched book on the exponential rise in Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria among adolescent girls, and her quite good interview with Rogan, is "transphobic" because they put forward the notion that some children currently demanding to be transitioned are caught up in a fad. A very dangerous and life-altering fad.

Woke media is seriously so dumb because they don't seem to realize that all this type of controversy does is publicize Shrier (and Rowling) work to those who wouldn't have been interested otherwise.

[–]MsTig0 42 insightful - 3 fun42 insightful - 2 fun43 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

I listened to the podcast and it amused me how careful Rogan was to keep validating adult trans narratives every 5 minutes, probably trying to avoid an immediate backlash. But the thing is, either you submit to their world view 200% or you're OMG transphobic cancel and stay safe.

[–]BEB[S] 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yes - in that podcast, both Rogan and Shrier bent over backwards to make sure that their audience knew that adult trans people are making sane choices in their sane minds to cut off their sane body parts and become sane lifelong medical experiments.

I'm so sick of people kowtowing to the idea that someone with gender dysphoria is sane. IMO they aren't.

I do think that people with genuine dysphoria (and people who are autogynephiles or trenders) should be helped by professionals to find the solution that works for them, but to pretend that being obsessed with the idea that your body is wrong to the point where you cut off healthy flesh and take hormones at levels not meant for your sex, is crazy.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I agree they have a mental illness and should be helped with therapy and anxiety meds.

It's like body dysphoria. Doctors arent bending over backwards to chop healthy peoples legs off or blind them because they got dyshoria because that's crazy. But somehow chopping off girls breasts and boys cocks its normal and it has nothing to do with a 1,5 billion dollar medical busines of hormone drugs and sex operations.

[–]BEB[S] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Way back when, I worked with anorexics at a treatment center - not as a counselor.

We did the opposite with anorexics as parents, doctors, therapists, and medical associations are doing now with "trans" kids - we encouraged body acceptance and positivity. We tried to "fix" these girls minds instead of encouraging them to change their bodies to match their warped self-image.

I don't know why people my age, who should truly know better, can't see this trans kids thing as the outrage it is - you're telling kids that they aren't perfect, that they need to spend $$$ and venture into the medical wilderness to "fix" themselves, well, their bodies, when it's their minds that need help. It's unfathomable that parents and therapists can't see that.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is really insane. I don't understand how any of the adults supporting this can live with themselves. it's mind boggling

[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree about the therapy, but not about the anxiety meds. Anxiety meds are fine when used short term - 2 weeks or so - in a real crisis, like when there's been a sudden death of a loved one, a crisis like 9/11, or you've just gotten terrible news such as a diagnosis of stage 4 cancer. But putting people on anxiety meds for longer periods, and for conditions like "gender dysphoria" and body image issues, will only screw them up further.

People with "gender dysphoria" and so many of the problems that people, especially many young people, suffer from today need to learn skills that will help them tolerate, handle, overcome and wait out their anxiety. They need therapy that will help them accept and better deal with reality, and will assist them in developing perspective and resilience.

[–]vitunrotta 29 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 0 fun30 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'd like to add - having read the book - that Shrier talks to transitioned people (TiF's) and is extremely respectful and polite to them. There isn't a single sentence where she sounds even remotely "phobic" towards these people. It is, unsurprisingly, also these TiF's who feel that ROGD is the "new anorexia" and that it's essentially very harmful to teenage girls, who haven't even had any sexual experiences in their lives. (Many of these young trans-identifying girls haven't even masturbated.)

This just to point out that she is absolutely NOT transphobic but is very concerned about this phenomenon - as one should be. Giving hormone blockers/T freely to teenagers whose brain is still very much developing is nothing short of abuse, in my opinion.

But of course, the lil Wokists won't even look at the book, far less try to read & comprehend it. In their minds it's just terrible fascist propaganda or whatever. Which is funny, because their tactics are very much veering on fascism, not ours...

[–]BEB[S] 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The puberty blocker LUPRON, so touted by trans activists, was developed as an advanced PROSTATE cancer drug.

"Harmless" puberty blocker, Lupron, is also used to chemically castrate sex offenders.

So a prostate cancer drug given to male sex offenders is being given to minor girls - what could possibly go wrong?

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There are already stories popping up of girls with constant pain all over and nerve damage. its so painful to watch this unfolding.

I've been very active on twitter trying to dispell the "irriversable" myth there and ive had 2 detrans kids tell me they wish they knew this earlier. That someone told them the truth of the consequences. It made me more determined to reply to any such posts but its just heartbreaking.

[–]BEB[S] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Good for you - thank you!

Have you seen r/detrans which is the sub Reddit for destransitioners? It used to be heartbreaking story after heartbreaking story of kids sucked into the trans fad, only to wake up from their brainwashing missing their breasts or penises, or having permanent beards and deep voices.

But r/detrans was banned around the same time as r/gendercritical. It's back but it seems to have been compromised. I read it's because the mods were changed to those more trans sympathetic.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yea when i was trying to understand what was going on and researching GC, gender ideology, terfs etc etc i quite early stumbled upone a detransition story and found that subreddit.

Like you said its been compromised so i try to support the kids on twitter as much as i can. They have little green salamander icons in their names or bio. So if you see that it's a detransitioner.

[–]buttbuttinator 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Woke media is seriously so dumb because they don't seem to realize that all this type of controversy does is publicize Shrier (and Rowling) work to those who wouldn't have been interested otherwise.

I'd never really had to think about the transing of kids until Joe Rogan endorsed Bernie Sanders and I kept on hearing the woke brigade calling for Sanders to denounce him because he was against puberty blockers for kids. That forced me to actually research puberty blockers (a better name would probably be brain destroyers) and then (instead of just thinking that trans people suffered from an illness but other than bathrooms and lockers and stuff that it was harmless to go along with their beliefs) I suddenly believed that trans ideology was a threat in and of itself.

[–]BEB[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

That is great. That's what I mean about how some of our allies in our fight are so unlikely, like Joe Rogan.

Glad you're aware now and have joined us to try to stop these kids' lives from being destroyed.

[–]jkfinn 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Joe Rogan, who has been pushing the lies about Antifa setting forest fires in Oregon, despite the fact that every state agency involved in the fires has zero evidence to this and never did, and has been actively trying to shut down the dangerous rumors which have caused traffic checks by vigilantes, who are ready to assault anyone found with gasoline inside their vehicle. This is the volatile Joe Rogan.

[–]BEB[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, I know. I have huge issues with Rogan. And I also hate how men seem to treat him like their version of Oprah (sorry, not a fan of her either) and hang on every word he says, no matter how ridiculous.

I actually like his shows when his guests are scientists: when he has a guest on who's discussing something way beyond his ken, he lets the guest talk. I don't think he's a bad interviewer, because he asks the "dumb" questions the layperson would ask an expert, and most of us are laypeople when discussing science.

[–]jkfinn 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I agree with this. And yeah to the Oprah part.

[–]yousaythosethings 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

He already posted a video apologizing for this mid information and stating he was wrong so you’re being a little alarmist.

[–]jkfinn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Well, I read this in Time Magazine, so I doubt I'm being alarmist. I just reported what I knew at the time. And because he's apologized, doesn't mean it wasn't ignorant and very wrongful in the first place.

[–]yousaythosethings 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yea I do think this information does strongly weigh against the implications of your statements about Joe Rogan since the point you seemed to be making was that he is no ally.

Being able to admit you’re wrong, retract and apologize are definitely the qualities you want in an ally. Shows you prioritize learning what’s true and right over being right yourself.

[–]MarkTwainiac 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Jkfinn, what? You think Time Magazine is reliable, "balanced" journalism?

It's owned by ultra-woke Silicon Valley tech titan Marc Benioff, CEO of Salesforce, a billionaire SJW and huge trans activist. He's a major player in of the campaign to use "inclusivity" and "fairness" to roll back girls' and women's privacy, dignity and safety in favor of "trans rights." He was a major funder of the fight against the pro-female bathroom bills in NC and elsewhere.

Benioff is a major backer of the ACLU and its campaign to open up female sports to males with cross-sex "gender identity" claims, and to have male convicts placed in prisons based on their professed gender identity.

https://www.prweek.com/article/1425277/tech-sector-leads-corporate-pushback-against-trans-student-reversal

[–]BEB[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is there any way you could catalogue all this information and put it onto a website?

Maybe ask an existing GC website to host it?

I just hate to think that if this sub gets shut down all this valuable information will be lost.

[–]buttbuttinator 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not even a Joe Rogan fan and I probably would have gone the rest of my life without ever watching an episode of his show if it hadn't been for the fucking slander he was getting.

[–]BEB[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Getting more publicity because someone tried to hide or censor you is called the Streisand Effect. By trying to shut Joe Rogan down over his "transphobic" episodes, these nimnut trans activist Spotify employees are only making Rogan and this issue more prominent.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

(a better name would probably be brain destroyers)

Marketing said no.

[–]buttbuttinator 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It is genuinely a bit terrifying how the effects of GnRH agonists on teenage brains is just completely ignored. When I was doing my research I found a study that found a 8 point IQ drop compared to the control. Now granted, it was a small group and the p-score was 9% when 5% is the standard, but they said that anything less than a standard deviation of IQ drop wasn't concerning (they did not say that it was statistically insignificant, they said 8 IQ points was insignificant). 5 μg/dL of lead in your child's blood stream is tied to about 1.5 points of IQ drop and we (understandably) freaked out about that despite it being 1/10th of a standard deviation. This study found that puberty blockers had a similar impact as injecting 1000 μg of lead directly into your child's bloodstream and this study was trying to say that it was no biggie because it was less of an effect than 2000 μg of lead.

And if a result that size gives you a confidence interval of less than 95% then what's the point of such a small sample size? Other studies with larger sample sizes did confirm the results BTW with much better than 95% confidence interval. Pretty much any study on GnRH agonists and IQ links them with a massive lowering of IQ and (in animal tests) cognitive functions. The fact that they are doing this to children is genuinely horrifying, at least when they originally started prescribing it for precocious puberty they didn't realize how damaging it was, but at this point there's absolutely no excuse.

[–]divingrightintowork 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'd love to see these studies! If you have them accessible

[–]buttbuttinator 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4940404/ (8 point IQ difference)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5253377/ (commentary on the above study)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5333793/ (study on sheep)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11683207/ this one doesn't have as many details available to the general public, but it does mention that "Intelligence quotient levels decreased significantly during treatment." and is mentioned in the commentary posted above)

[–]yishengqingwa666 28 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

So desperate, so pathetic... it must be exhausting being such toxic fucking TRAs all the time.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman 16 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

Right? If I cared about anything half as much as these people care about this I would be so much more accomplished.

[–]denverkris 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

If they cared about anything else, so would they.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

ive been wondering, why does this generation does not have its own fashion or music that is iconic. In the 90's you knew grunge was big and emo , before that goth, new wave, punk, glam metal... Now nothing...

All I found was 100 gecs and Dorian Electra and that is so cringe i don't think it counts lmao

[–]ekb88 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I noticed the same thing!

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

HA, true.

[–]TruBi 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They are so mentally unstable. I think nothing else needs to be said. I can’t see how the general public can get behind these TRAs. In Spotify and Joe Rogan circles / forums people are mostly calling out these TRA wokesters. People are tired and this is another thing that will peak more people.

[–]BEB[S] 37 insightful - 1 fun37 insightful - 0 fun38 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Joe Rogan, Joe Six-Pack that he is, is IMO one of the best things to happen to women's rights in the last few years because his core audience probably are men like him- Not particularly educated, but curious about many things and fairly intelligent.

So they're not blue-haired, glitter eye shadow, gender studies graduates from Vassar.

As such, while not feminists either, they see a lot of this gender ideology as the woo woo it is. Plus a lot of them are into sports, and so the patent unfairness of men in women's sports appeals to their sense of fair play.

It's sad that it might be Joe Rogan who turns the tide in the US. I don't care who does it, I just want it done.

[–]jkfinn 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Romance. No way. His opinions are too volatile from left to right. Besides the working class doesn't need turning around, not by Big Time Joe, or by Boss Tweet, because they have no stake and show less interest in the transgender cult. He also has a past (on tape) heavy on the sexism, which he has never apologized for or stated a new committed position on.

[–]PlayCardsNotPeople 19 insightful - 5 fun19 insightful - 4 fun20 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

From the comments.

If the staff are unhappy working there because of content they personally do not agree with, would it not be better for them to perhaps resign and work for a company that is more in line with their views? Like Twitter for example?

.

I'd nominate Reddit.

[–]BEB[S] 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Twitter bans GC feminists left and right for stating outrageous things like "Women don't have penises" or "Biology is real." - I'm not making this up.

GC feminist Meghan Murphy, Canadian shero and the woman behind the excellent online publication FEMINIST CURRENT (check it out - fantastic!) was banned from Twitter for "misgendering" Yaniv.

I had a list of GC feminist Twitter people that I used to read frequently. I took a break from Twitter for a few months and when I came back 80% of their accounts were suspended or no longer existed.

[–]dazedandsubdued 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

censorship is their only weapon.

[–]BEB[S] 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

That and outright lies.

[–]goobandit 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They immediately excluded numerous Rogan podcasts with guests who are “right-wing” and/or conspiracy theorists. No one is surprised these cry-bullies want this gone too. God forbid someone say that a man shouldn’t be able to MMA on a woman’s face just because he’s got pink nail polish.

[–]GConly 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They desperately want that book gone.

[–]onemoredaydream 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Will be interesting to see how this plays out. I am hoping / assuming that Rogan was smart enough to put some sort of clause in his contract that guarantees him editorial control.