The ever-elusive "feeling like a woman" - what the hell is it supposed to be? Rant incoming...

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[–]slushpilot 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

they do not want to lose control over women

This spun off into a bunch of different thoughts for me.

Want has to start from some personal motive. That need for power & control is an obvious fact of individual men, but I can't follow the reasoning of how such individuals could decide that the way to regain control over patriarchal values & the entire class of women is to become one.

Such thinking would have to be coordinated with a stated goal, and I don't think it is. Church conservatives can come right out and say women belong in the kitchen etc to rally their movement, but for this subject, it seems too roundabout.

Of course, these individuals can manipulate control over their wives, who now have to contend with them and coddle them and call them "she"... I could see that for sure, but to extend that to a plan that affects culture so broadly in the way it has been?

(A lot of these men—both HSTS and AGP—also seem to have a submission fetish, so I suspect it's a very specific kind of "control" we're talking about here.)

So when you say "they", do you mean individual men, or are you proposing some collective thought? I'm just trying to follow the thread of where the intent (malice) springs from, or if it's actually an unintentional byproduct (systemic result) ...since then it's not a want.

For what it's worth I think their individual reasoning is more likely something along the lines of:

  1. Lust, focusing all their attention on women, women's bodies, feminine clothing, mannerisms etc.
  2. Projection, "women get all the attention"
  3. Self-pity, "nobody pays attention to me"
  4. Self-hate, "I feel so degraded and desperate"
  5. Misattribution & more projection, "this must be what feeling like a woman is like"
  6. Down the rabbit hole

And yes, decadent countries where we have unlimited access to internet porn instead of being forced to live in the real world and build real relationships & meet real people means that indulging this kind of thinking is much more likely.

(In any case, I don't think we can actually rationalize intention from mental illness though.)

[–]penelopekitty 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

The movement, well funded by people like TW Jennifer Pritzker and TW Martine Rothblatt, among others, are pushing this ideology in Universities. It is also being pushed in political parties. The end result will be changing the definition of woman in the law. Once that happens women will de facto lose their right to politically organize for sex based rights because they will no longer exist as a political category. Only gender based rights will be considered valid. It's happening now in the US with the Equality Act, has already happened in Canada with bill C-16 and they've only hit the pause button in the UK on GRA reform.

[–]slushpilot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I absolutely believe these tyrant activists & systemic "sympathetic" rot are the most dangerous thing happening to us right now. For me it's more a question of how did we get here... I guess I'm hoping that if we can explain the (wrongheaded or evil) motives at every step, then this could help unwind it.

[–]tuesday 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

This may be an unpopular opinion but I've personally noticed that it is almost always the young who get sucked into various cults and have extreme difficulty recognizing the criteria of fascism and totalitarianism as expressed in a modern socieety. I'd like to see the schools briefly introduce the concept starting about age 10 and then every year thereafter go into more depth. So they are more prepared and inculcated against that tendency when they become older teens and young adults.

[–]MezozoicGay 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

All totalitarisms and dictatorships are starting from indoctrination of children.

In USSR we had things like "the hero of Pavlik Morozov" and "Pioneer Camps", and majority of propaganda was aimed on kids. Pavlik Morozov was half-made icon, based on real event, but changed to look better, it was young kid who went to thought police and said that "my father is saying bad things about communism and want to fight against it", so father was executed and kid became "communist hero and example for all kids", in some stories father is killing Pavlik right before police came to arrest him. Pioneer Camps is camps where kids are taken for 2-3 months (for full summer) far away from their relatives, and there trained to love communism and communist party.

And same with every authoritarian regime and totalitarism.

This time we have things like Mermaids, who are either indoctrinating kids and teens themselves, or making their parents fear for the health of their kids ("if you don't trans them, they will suicide 100%! You don't want your kid to die? Oh, now your kid is trans, help us to fight for trans rights!"). This time it is even more focused on kids, as gender ideology was created by paedo and is supported by many paedos.

[–]slushpilot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Funny how it's always dressed up as wholesome fun too. Pioneers were just like the scouts... with marching and songs and stuff! (Yeah, and so were the German youth... and today it's rainbows.)

[–]forwardback 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What about parents? Why assume only schools are failing these kids?

[–]BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In the US, Gender Spectrum, which lives up to its name by going into schools to teach that sex is a spectrum, openly admits that it targets minority children.

In the US, especially in California, where a lot of this gender spectrum type sex education seems to be trialed, 40% speak a different language at home, so the parents might not even know what the children are being taught because they don't speak English. Also they might think it's some kind of American thing and as new proud Americans they don't want to rock the boat.

[–]slushpilot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Absolutely! But parents have a tendency to trust schools and not interfere with teachers, so they allow it to be taught. These things don't necessarily come from school though—it could be tumblr... It's really the parents' job to teach common sense.