I had a sudden worry that I need to share...

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[–]itsnotaboutewe 38 insightful - 1 fun38 insightful - 0 fun39 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I started my working life in the 1970's when women had only just been allowed to enter professions and jobs that had hitherto been male only domains. If a pretty female was hired at a firm that had been all male prior to the changes it was assumed she was employed because she had great tits or the boss wanted to sleep with her. If a plain woman was hired it was assumed she probably had talent but it still was suspected that hiring her served some hidden agenda. Women were hired on their merit but they really had to prove their worth to help kill the discrimination that was still pervasive at that time. Over the years as more women proved themselves capable these stereotypes dissipated and up until recently being female had no bearing on whether someone hired you or not. A lot of work went into changing the human resources culture, and the way it used to be for women should never be forgotten.

Now we have identity politics and many companies are using a system of hiring on the basis of diversity rather than merit. If a man can tick the diversity boxes of both woman and LGBTQ+ without the need for maternity leave, special bathrooms, etc, then he will be seen as having more going for him as a prospective employee than a woman who may need time off to have children and may have ongoing commitments to children and family that require altered hours of work and such.

I have watched women in the workplace go from excluded to exploited and then to accepted and normalised in society. Now it is changing again and women are being overlooked if there is a minority or 'diverse' candidate whose social identity outweighs their merit when it comes to fulfilling the job criteria.

One generation was all women got to be treated as equals in the workforce. One lousy generation that nobody will remember in another 20 years if this identity politics keeps going.

[–]BEB 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'm so with you on this:

"Women were hired on their merit but they really had to prove their worth to help kill the discrimination that was still pervasive at that time. Over the years as more women proved themselves capable these stereotypes dissipated and up until recently being female had no bearing on whether someone hired you or not. A lot of work went into changing the human resources culture, and the way it used to be for women should never be forgotten."

AMEN.

I keep hearing trans activists say that white women were the number one beneficiaries of Affirmative Action, and I'm thinking, "Who?" because my experience was just like yours.

Except for a few women who were hired because men wanted to sleep with them, the rest of us had to prove our worth 100 times over. But we weren't hired BECAUSE we were women. It was still a very uphill battle to get the job BECAUSE we were women.

And, over the years, we became just a hire, not a WOMAN hire either way, and we didn't have to be Super Woman, we were just an employee. That was a true victory, and, as you say, it's now gone, and it's all about "diversity" but with plain ol' women not counting - a woman with a penis? Well, there's your diversity box checked.

[–]Delia 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

When they are the actual beneficiaries of affirmative action will they say that about themselves? Trans have no idea how women fought for every crumb and I was a young leader of a team of men at 21 and had to work so hard to not be put down as a women.

[–]BEB 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I am so with you too. So much of my young life was struggling to prove I, as a woman, could do the class, the job, the whatever, as well as a man.

I have concrete examples where I was told to my face that I was being discriminated against solely for being a woman.

And yet, being the arrogant men they are, TIM activists shamelessly APPROPRIATE women's historic struggles as they COLONIZE the sex-segregated spaces our ancestress fought for.

[–]endless_assfluff 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am so with you too. So much of my young life was struggling to prove I, as a woman, could do the class, the job, the whatever, as well as a man.

But not better than a man! You have to be competent, but not too competent lest someone's masculinity is threatened.

[–]Wandering_Idiot 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Exactly. Women were hired to check the diversity box but they were often overlooked for raises or not given special projects that would lead to promotions because they were female. It was only during the last ressession we saw the last of the 'old boys club' fired simply because when management looked at who was doing the majority of the work (women) for less amount of pay because they never got/asked for raises (women). That's why people called it a Mansession during the 2008 ressession.

[–]BEB 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When I was young, the women I knew were hired on their own merit and it was an uphill battle to even get the interview. I honestly don't know one woman from that era who was hired to check a box, although I'm sure it happened.

All the women I knew had to work like fiends for men to take them seriously, and there was a tremendous amount of sexual harassment. Think a slightly more benign MAD MEN.

[–]LesbiSilly[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I love what you wrote. I don't think you're my generation, but I agree with what you say and yeah. Women aren't going to be hired over TIMs, which makes me sad. And ID politics in the workplace drive me crazy. Thankfully, I think I will be going into a more conservative profession.

[–]Delia 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I am from your generation and this was deliberate, women got power positions in world politics and men are busting that by promoting transgender.

[–]LesbiSilly[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow... that's annoying. Anyway to stop this?