I've been just permanently banned from r/feminism for saying that in humans sex is a binary, and that intersex people aren still either male or female. I'm a biologist.

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[–]Spicylikegumbo 52 insightful - 2 fun52 insightful - 1 fun53 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I wish those freaks would stop comparing themselves with black women. We have always been identified as women. We just weren't given rights and were treated like subhumans. Nowhere in history can I find a black woman being referred to as a man. It's only modern day white men, including trans white ones, who label us that way.

[–]our_team_is_winning 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

From OP: <I've said before that is extremely offensive to say that if we consider black woman women, we have to consider trans women women as well, because both are "types of women"> Seriously this is BEYOND offensive. Do they even hear themselves? "Black women are a type of women the way men are a type of women." NO!!! Of course there are black women. There would be no black people without black women. Some women are black. Some are brown. Some are white. Some are every human skin color. This is not news. Claiming "therefore, men are women" is just stupid. But WHY did they single out black women specifically? There seem to be quite a few black TiM, so I can't totally blame white TiM here. But that really is one of the worst TiM lines EVER.

[–]Spicylikegumbo 22 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

They single out black women because we're an easy punching bag. No one protects us or stand by us. You can get away with saying anything about us. A few years ago Don Imus called black female basketball players "nappy headed hoes." The fact that he felt comfortable enough to say that on air says a lot. The fact that black women had to call out the racism and sexism but black men and white feminists were silent when that happened goes to show black women have to stand up for ourselves most of the time.

History lesson: We didn't get voting rights until several decades after white women. Events like that further contribute to the idea that black women weren't seen as women.

[–]BEB 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I was around for 2nd Wave feminism, and some of the most revered leaders were black women. I remember Shirley Chisholm as an icon. I'm not saying there weren't problems between women and factions of women, but I don't think they had as much to do with race as with personalities, backgrounds and ideologies.

In any case, this whole "white feminism" thing, now used as a slur, is, IMO, just an attempt by men who hate women to divide us.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Another icon from back then was Flo Kennedy.