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[–]MarkTwainiac 48 insightful - 1 fun48 insightful - 0 fun49 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The sexologists who've studied TIMs and TIFs closely say that whilst some report of a change in sexual orientation after "transition," these are merely reports and don't necessarily correspond with reality.

What's more, these reports of a change in sexual orientation are much more common amongst straight men and straight women who get on the trans train than amongst gay men who do so.

Finally, the research has not shown that these reported changes are caused by taking cross-sex hormones, androgen blockers, getting surgeries or any other trans-related treatment or events (like changing documents, going public with the new gender identity, changing type of clothing worn, etc).

We investigated changes in self-reported sexual orientation and the relation to important life events in a large cohort of transsexual persons in Germany by means of qualitative and quantitative data. We could show that self-reported changes in sexual orientation are frequent in transsexual persons especially in originally gynephilic (straight) MtF as well as androphilic (straight) FtM. It was hypothesized before that change of sexual orientation might be influenced by hormonal therapy or SRS.

But these researchers found that

reported changes of sexual orientation are not particularly associated with any transition event. Thus our data challenge the view that either hormonal therapy or SRS or any other event has a direct influence on self-reported sexual orientation.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4192544/

Ray Blanchard calls the reported change in sexual orientation that some TIMs claim to experience "pseudobisexuality."

The Oxford dictionary definition of "pseudo" is: "(adjective) not genuine; spurious or sham."

The Oxford Thesaurus says the synonyms for "pseudo" are "bogus, sham, phony, imitation, artificial, mock, ersatz, quasi-, fake, feigned, pretended, false, faux, spurious, counterfeit, fraudulent, deceptive, misleading, assumed, contrived, affected, insincere; informal pretend, put-on, fakey; and British informal cod."

TL;DR version: people who base their entire identity on denying reality, pretending to be what they are not and bullshitting aren't the most trustworthy group, so their every utterance shouldn't be taken as the gospel truth. And guys of the lady dick variety are especially likely to tell cock and bull stories - IRL and on anonymous social media like reddit.

[–][deleted] 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Thank you for the info, I will update the body text accordingly. I must say, even though this whole topic is insane, these research documents are very fascinating to read.

[–]MarkTwainiac 35 insightful - 1 fun35 insightful - 0 fun36 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No don't update the text! Your post made it very clear what these guys are claiming.

BTW, transgenderism is indeed functioning as a gay conversion therapy. A lot of people - including clinicians in trans health care and therapy - have pointed it out. Experts in the UK have said the NHS youth gender clinic there is in the business of, in effect "transing away the gay" and expressed fear that "in another generation or two there will be no gay people left."

I'll post some other links.

[–][deleted] 34 insightful - 1 fun34 insightful - 0 fun35 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They almost got me, too. Bunch of trans pedos groomed me in 2016 into believing that I was a girl so that I could be straight, instead of getting over my internalized homophobia. I finally got out of the cult earlier this year and am content with my gay maleness. I’m trying to keep my views on transgenderism moderate but I feel like the grooming has taken its toll on how I feel.

[–]MarkTwainiac 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Good for you. Glad you got out. There are many other gay men who share your views. Many decent older guys among them. I suggest follow ing the LGB Alliance in the UK and Fred Sargeant from the USA on Twitter.

Best of luck, and take care!

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Much appreciated. o7