German state bans burqas, niqabs in schools

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[–]loq453 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What mandatory clothing do Catholics have? Mentioning nuns is a strawman, nuns are not average women, they are women who willingly chose to join a monastic order. Monks also have rules about what clothes they can wear, so it is not a sex based rule, it is a monastic order rule.

[–]jkfinn 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The vast majority of nuns are not monastic. And why is up to Westerners to decide what's consensual or not consensual about Islamic dress traditions.

[–]sisterinsomnia 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So do you regard such things as human rights, including women's rights as culture-specific rather than universal?

Perhaps the former?

But even if that were the case, it is difficult to define what is consensual about dress traditions which were explicitly created by male clerics over centuries and which have been enforced in, say, Iran, by a theocratic government interpreting those male-created texts.

There is a feminist movement in Iran against the compulsory hijab, by the way, which suggests, as one example, that even Islamic cultures can disagree about what is 'consensual.' Though of course the vast majority of people in most cultures tend not to question their own cultural traditions, in general.

[–]jkfinn 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

One main point of departure here is the way Islamic refugee or immigrant women in European countries have seen their feminist critiques of Islam exploited by their host country to further its own divisive racism toward Islam. And it's always the more radical voices (both feminists and the left) who oppose this position, and the more liberal voices in the controversy who support both the govt's phony feminist concerns and the rewards they hand out to Islamic feminists who go along with them. I hear and agree with the radical anti-racist position, who support the critique but not the way its being manipulated.

[–]SharpTomorrow 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All cultures are not equal. The cultures where women are forced to wear a burqa are certainly inferior to those who do not. Only cultural relativists think otherwise.