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[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

All of this, and I don't think it's a stretch to think that normalizing this as a legitimate sexual orientation throws open the door for any perversion to be considered valid. What's this push to consider all sexuality good and natural and right to indulge?

Knowing what's out there, I absolutely do not want the moral boundaries of society eroded in this way. Plus it's all for the benefit of men with everyone else as casualties. It's like the focus is on the sexual expression of the poor kinky males and how they suffer when they can't be themselves in our mean, judgy society with its mean, discriminating norms. Nah, none of you are victims of society, but women and children become the victims of you and your deviance.

[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Exactly. I mean, homosexuality has existed for ages, as has bisexuality. I have no problems with that in terms of consenting adults. Many people who are gay or bi kind of “know” at a young age, even before they’re interested in sex at all.

THIS Trans phenomenon is attempting to validate pornographic sexuality as it’s shaped through the internet, and as it’s defined by misogynistic men— not by some natural inclination that seems to innately develop in people.

[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Yes this should under no circumstances be conflated with homosexuality or bisexuality. Hetero/homo/bi are sexual orientations. (And asexuality? I haven't thought about it much.)

AGP men already have a sexual orientation: they're heterosexual. AGP shouldn't be thought of as an additional sexual orientation, more like a sexual glitch. It'd be better classified as a mental illness.

Tbh I think it also exists without porn, though I'm still piecing together an understanding from some self- aware AGP stories, and it still doesn't mean it should be classified as a-ok any more than other harmful, distorted paraphilias. I mean I'm sure many criminals had their own variety of "innate" sexual pulls or violent pulls but an inclination or obsession toward a thing doesn't make it an acceptable, valid, healthy orientation. Some people are just fucked up. And human male sexuality especially can range into deviance, but the deviance should not be able to get a pass as harmless and elbow its way in with the healthy sexual orientations shared by the rest of humanity.

My view right now is that porn feeds a fetish that is there (like CP feeds a demand by pedos) but also creates the fetish--we know porn can alter the brain and a person's sexuality. I still believe porn is a major factor in manufacturing TiMs (and general perversion).

Edit to add: so from my patchy understanding AGP may exist on its own when males attracted to females (normal) have an erotic target glitch and fixate on themselves as women instead (pathology). And if het sexuality can be led off like this, I can see how it also can be a pathology mass produced by and reinforced by porn

[–]sisterinsomnia 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The role of sissy porn and such would be a good topic for actual research, to see if it makes AGP more common.

The difference between past AGPs and today's AGPs is in the climate (you TERF DIESCUM).

Today's AGPs see no reason not to involve outsiders in their fetish because they have that strong 'transphobia' stick to use if anyone complains. In the past fetishes were mostly hidden from the general public, but when it comes to this particular fetish AGPs can without any risk force others to play along.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I definitely think AGP existed before internet porn, but that it's increased dramatically since internet porn has existed. I think those who were involved in that fetish used to keep it within certain tight circles-- but the current day trend is to offensively push it into people's faces. Porn makes them think everyone should to/wants to push their fetishes into other people's faces.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, AGP can exist without porn, or independent of it. The AGP in my family wasn't trying to cultivate sissy or sexy -- they were trying to "become" a strong female family member who had passed away. Couldn't make that up.

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I can't shit on coping mechanisms, but fuck. Couldn't he have just slept next to her old dress or something?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That definitely would have been preferable. And saner. Or even grief counseling. Or any counseling (other than pro-AGP online bullshit).