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[–]Realwoman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I meant, respect the group as a whole.

And of course that there are competing interests when it comes to limited resources. In a competition, some lose, some win. I don't have transwomen's best interest at heart when I don't want them to compete against actual women in sports. I don't have the interests of low performers at heart when I want high performers to get the privilege they're applying for and that they deserve.

I don't see how the doctor argument is invalid at all. So if that person is admitted and doesn't graduate, she just wasted resources and time that could have been used for someone more capable that can graduate and can become a doctor.

[–]Yayme 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't see how the doctor argument is invalid at all. So if that person is admitted and doesn't graduate, she just wasted resources and time that could have been used for someone more capable that can graduate and can become a doctor.

is not the same thing as

I don't want my doctor to have been admitted to medical school only thanks to to his ethnicity, with lower scores than others that were not admitted.


I don't have the interests of low performers at heart when I want high performers to get the privilege they're applying for and that they deserve.

And maybe AA is outdated, maybe we have made enough progress where it's unnecessary. But it doesn't really seem like it from where I'm sitting.

And I think there's a difference between forcing people to give the chronically overlooked a chance, and forcing them to keep incompetent students/contractors/musicians. Except I guess maybe in Europe where they pretty much can't get rid of people for any reason.

[–]Realwoman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't think we will agree, especially since you have a vested interest in affirmative action. The same way rich kids have a vested interest in college admissions taking donations into account when admitting students.

I don't understand your remark about Europe.

[–]Yayme 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't think we will agree

Probably not fully. I can see where you're coming from - I get frustrated when an RFP in my wheelhouse is put out, but 100% set aside for disable veterans. But not frustrated enough to want to do away with AA altogether.

Can I ask - have you ever been impacted by AA at all? Either negative or positive, or do you just dislike it in theory?

[–]Realwoman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, I haven't been impacted by it directly but I have the potential to benefit from it.