My physics teacher just announced he’s transgender.

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[–]fuckingsealions 44 insightful - 2 fun44 insightful - 1 fun45 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

Ok devil's advocate--is he a bad teacher? I have in the past worked with Tims and Tifs and currently work with a Tim. I don't really care in professional contexts. I also work with people who are white supremacists, and people who think that covid-19 was made in a lab. I don't discuss those things with them.

If he was a decent teacher, who cares. If we're at a party and I can hear he's, say, telling lesbians they're missing out on ladydick, we're going to have words. We're surrounded by different people in this world. Most of them keep it secret, and I can't change their minds, just like they can't change mine.

[–]MenAreFragileBabies 93 insightful - 3 fun93 insightful - 2 fun94 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

It is a little different with a TIM, because like as not, they are involving you unwillingly in their sexual fetish. Most of them are getting off sexually to you putting up with their behavior. They are basically one big walking sexual harassment.

So while I guess it's fine for you if that doesn't bother you, that would really bug me. I don't think I could peacefully work or learn in an environment like that. There's a reason why men (and women) are not allowed to create hostile work environments. A TIM is a walking talking hostile work environment most of the time.

[–]fuckingsealions 26 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Oh no, don't get me wrong. LOTS of things bother me. I also can't control straight men looking at me and jerking off thinking about me (or when riding public transit, doing it in front of me). If not me or some other IRL woman, then they're probably watching videos of women get quadruple penetrated and choked.

I guess I take the stance that if you're professional, cool, if you're not, then I'm out or I'm reporting it. No one's going to try to lecture in a bodycon dress with an erection if I'm around. NOPE. That's hostile. But if I assume that everyone is doing thoughtcrime then I will send myself around the fucking bend. I just stay aware of my environment.

I would worry about bias in grading, but I've had so many profs exhibit that same bias at different groups of people.

I work with 99% men and they say appalling things all the time, unselfconsciously. To me, Tims are no different than most men. The one I work with doesn't sexually harass any women I know (is married to a woman) but acts like a cooze to most people so I avoid him!

[–]Finnegan7921 51 insightful - 1 fun51 insightful - 0 fun52 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The difference between a straight male prof saying rude things in a class and a TIM showing up in a dress with his package bulging out is that the university won't hesitate to discipline the one while being scared shitless to discipline the other b/c they fear the backlash. You'll also be labeled a bigot, doxxed, harassed and most likely hounded off campus by people who would celebrate their "victory".

In the current "inclusive" environment which most universities have allowed to fester, the argument sets up pretty nicely in their favor tbh. If women can wear shirts with their boobs "bulging", why can't he wear a form fitting outfit ? Any reasonable person knows why, b/c it's gross and nobody wants to see his junk essentially on display, but they'll cry transphobia and the brainwashed woketards will line up to defend a guy who is forcing everyone to ogle his schlong.

[–]fuckingsealions 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's very true that there's a huge amount of hypocrisy at play here in terms of who gets pilloried. I have a kid who is in high school and afraid to go into anything but stem fields because of how censorious the current campus environment around ideas are.

I see that you're using "inclusive" in scare quotes, and I totally agree that administration and professors are now being run over, shouted down, and forced to resign if they're not participating in groupthink. How do you think this environment can be changed? What will cause a return to actual free speech and expression? Do we just have to wait until Zoomers are middle-aged and told their ideas are old fashioned?

[–]WrongToy 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

OK here's the difference.

You're in a mutual work environment. It's a job requirement that you tolerate TIMs and vice versa.

Whereas she is basically a customer. She doesn't have to put up with this TIM, or TIMs at all, or anyone that she isn't comfortable with for any reason.

And while this may not be going on, I had my share of profs with mental health issues. One was in immunology and this was during the AIDS crisis. Every lecture turned out to be a rambling rant against Reagan, or El Salvador, or whatever. There was not one person who could or would stand up for the students.

[–]fuckingsealions 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I completely agree that students and customers should vote with their feet, or dollars if there's any professor or whatever-provider they don't like for whatever reason. I choose women doctors, surgeons, lawyers, teachers etc, whenever I can. I believe I'm going to get a better shake or better care with women who don't think overall that my ideas are stupid or I'm imagining my pain. It is indeed a job requirement that I tolerate Tims and the other men I work with. Oftentimes the men I work with openly express to me that I should not be there, despite the fact that I am more competent and reliable than many of them, and am protected to be there by law.

But also, I care about what I'm getting out of situations. I will choose uncomfortable feelings towards a person if I'm getting a better deal out of some transaction. I am saying personally, that if I found a professor tolerable before transition, I would give that person a try after transition before dropping the class completely. It's still the same idiot man, now they've just "come out" and put a caution label on themselves. If only all people wore scarlet letters alerting us to their kinks or personal crusades. Ha. I know I have different beliefs and tolerance levels than many people on GC, so it's fair to me that I don't shut down and homogenously lump everyone together.

What I don't think is that we can always escape comfort and make ourselves perfectly comfortable all the time. If this trend doesn't go away, according to the TRAs we will soon be surrounded by trans people who have supposedly been there all along. What do we do then, serious question? And to be clear, I do absolutely want women protected from violence, and I want women's safe/private spaces protected. But how do we deal with public life?

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I agree with you. Plus just because they are trans doesn’t mean they have AGP and it’s a fetish. There are types of trans. And also it’s not like it’s necessarily manifesting as perving on students. If the teacher is professional and kind, it doesn’t matter. There are plenty of male teachers who are outright banging their students and preying on them.

[–]whateverneverpine 20 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

I've been in too many abusive relationships to even want to look at a TIM, sorry. I can't stand the doublethink, I feel insane. It's not my job to go through life processing my reactions to disturbing interactions with mentally people. Make that men. It's not my job.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

That’s your right, but I don’t think trans Id people shouldn’t have jobs. That’s just cruel

[–]yishengqingwa666 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Them shoving their fetishes in everyone's face and forcing us to act like its ok is cruel.

[–]zephyranthes 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"Id" however you want. As a man, as a woman, as a child, as an animal, as a kitchen appliance, as military equipment, as a fictional character, as multiples of these. Don't bring this to work. Work is not daycare. If you're mentally ill, there's always the psych ward.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yep. I'd like to Id as an animal. Then I wouldn't have to pay taxes.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sink or swim. Like the rest of us.

[–]tuesday 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are ones who claim 50% of trans are so mentally unstable that they're at imminent risk of suicide, day after day. If we take that at face value as they want us to, then they wouldn't be able to perform their job duties. And "not being able to perform job duties" is a legitimate reason not to hire someone.

(here's one source, but jesus on a cracker, that stat is bandied about all over the place by transpeople https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3KQVXuCDbA

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=trans+suicide+rate&ia=web

the stat has been debunked btw, but since they use it just to guilt trip and emotionally manipulate everyone they come into contact with, i have no problem throwing it right back at them

Do you really want to hire someone who clearly has a personality disorder? Because, what else do you call someone who will go to that extreme lengths to manipulate people?

https://www.transgendertrend.com/the-suicide-myth/

[–]whateverneverpine 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't say they shouldn't have jobs. Just don't expect me on the job to entertain their delusions that they're female. That is, I would avoid using pronouns at all for anyone on the job, and they would have to live with it. I support legislation that keeps female spaces like bathrooms female only. Etc.