The infuriating rise of anti science behavior in every corner of society.

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[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

This post really bothers me because of how anti-science, or at least ignorant of science, it comes across as. I'm not familiar with the evidence for and against vaccinations, so can't really comment on that. I did do some reading on masks at the beginning of the pandemic and there doesn't seem to be any real scientific support for people to wear masks other than well-fitted N95 masks in health care settings. The sex vs gender thing is the one with the most obvious evidence, but it wouldn't be science if people weren't allowed to ask questions and figure it out for themselves. Science, when it works right, stands up to scrutiny so doesn't need to be afraid of it, and even welcomes it to make sure findings stand up to scrutiny. There are plenty of scientific questions where the answers are not as cut-and-dried as the media/popular opinion (or the oversimplified stories they tell undergraduates for that matter) make them out to be.

We are letting group think regulate scientific and government policy.

Well, yes, this happens. Group think interferes with science by cherry-picking or pushing for answers prematurely. Science is a method for figuring things out, and policy is often unscientific because of people's emotions. I would argue this is true for both pushing gender identity and pushing masks. I would argue that the "consensus" on human-caused global warming is also oversimplified. I'm not sure that matters as much in the short term, but in the long term it might emphasize the wrong solutions.

I am often disappointed in how ideologically-driven radical feminism is. It is strongest when it is evidence-based, and I wish it were that way all the time, but no, out comes the dogma time and time again.

I think to be good at science you have to get comfortable with both not having answers and also finding answers you don't like. Living with ambiguity rather than needing certainty. Science can't give you certainty a lot of the time, but it may give you options you hadn't thought of for solving problems.

I assume I will get blocked for this opinion. Whatever. I'm grateful to those who respond objectively on this sort of thing.

[–]Bogos[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

This post is not anti-science. In case you haven’t noticed thousands of people are dying due to scientific ignorance. All you have to do is look at countries and states where the virus is under control and where its not.

I would be happy to engage with you and discuss any study you would like.

Your understanding of COVID is anti-science and the reason we are in this position.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I disagree with almost everything you've said in your reply. As I said above in reply to someone else, I have problems with:

  • Lumping three different issues together as if they are all the same. If there is a problem with interpretation of findings in one area, discuss that in detail instead of throwing up your hands at people who disagree with you and saying they don't know how to science properly. Maybe some of them do, and you are the one who doesn't.
  • Using group-think to combat group-think. There is much more scientific consensus in some areas than in others, but even when there is consensus, scientists may change their minds down the road

Are you a scientist? I'm unemployed but have three science degrees and two publications in two fields, and have read published studies on these issues. I'm not really interested in engaging with people who make sweeping generalities (I've tried on other issues but find it too exhausting and frustrating) but do enjoy discussing details with fellow science nerds.

I do NOT want to get into the mask issue with you.

All I want is for people to not lump mask-deniers in with sex-deniers, thanks.

[–]OrneryStruggle 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am a currently working scientist and I agree w/ you and thank you for your thoughtful posts on this thread, this whole narrative as a scientist has just been exhausting. A bunch of people with no clue how the scientific method works screaming at people who are actually informing themselves that they're "anti-science" is just another thing I didn't feel like dealing with this year.

[–]OrneryStruggle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is scientific ignorance to think you can "control" a virus.