Weird...Google amp tells me r/GC was banned because it was "unmoderated."

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[–]Spikygrasspod 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

I have a serious question. I wandered over to r/conservative, because this entire TRA-GC thing has made me realise I need to go directly to the source and not rely on second hand accounts of anyone. I wanted to see what they say to one another.

Anyway. Someone in that sub shared a list of links (maybe 10-15 or so) to posts and comments in GC that were calling for or supporting selective abortion of male foetuses. I NEVER saw anything like that in GC during my time there. What is going on? Why is the GC I saw so different from the GC other people visited? I would love some help understanding this. Is this just extreme stuff that got reported and deleted? Please tell me that sex selective abortion is not widely supported here.

[–]fuckingsealions[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I never saw it either. No shade, but that sounds more like blackpill. I'm not doubting you. I know it's possible to complete fabricate threads.

[–]Smurfette 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, it was definitely talked about on blackpill. I never made that exact statement, but I would say “don’t breed your oppressor”. I’m childfree and wouldn’t want to bring a daughter into this hellhole of a world, either, as it would be cruel.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, it was definitely talked about on blackpill. I never made that exact statement, but I would say “don’t breed your oppressor”.

When you consider how misogynistic so many other subreddits are, and how many women have died from incel attacks, I can only say "who cares"?

[–]Spikygrasspod 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I see. I only visited blackpill briefly and decided it was too grim for me. However, I appreciate you sharing your position.

[–]Spikygrasspod 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm glad you didn't see that sort of thing, either. It's not my report, it's someone else's collection of links, and I have no idea how seriously to take it. Is it possible to fabricate threads? I have suspected that trolls might post things to make us look bad, but I don't really know how common that is. I'm not the most familiar with reddit, so any help understanding this would be appreciated.

[–]fuckingsealions[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I've done goofy shit in Photoshop 10+ years ago to razz people in old skool pre-reddit forums (to tease, not to take down). You take a thread from another sub to get the font right, make it look like it has a GC heading, etc. Maybe people were posting those things to snap a screenshot and discredit us. It's a very silly use of time but some of us are in quarantine. I'm brushing up on a language I used to study, other people are doxxing feminists, potato potahto

[–]Spikygrasspod 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh dear. I guess it goes to show that in order to understand any movement, one should really read both the accepted texts, the well known figures, and the general chatter in their own places, and not rely on extracts compiled by others.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Even if there were a few threads like that, it's not as if that consisted of the majority of posters-- and the porn subreddits are far more hateful and anti-female than GC was ever "anti-male".

[–]Spikygrasspod 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing your impression. I though it might be some but not most. Yes, I am sure you're right about the anti female subs.

[–]FlickingMarvellous 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There was one particular post that got a bit weird, iirc. There was a post here a couple of days ago asking the same question, and the mods gave their version of what happened: have a look back for it. (Sorry, I’d go and find it for you but seddit on mobile browser is sub-optimal.)

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I wouldn't be surprised if some trolls (supported by reddit admins) purposely put up crazy posts to "justify" taking our subs down. When I was moderating two different subs (not GC), it was impossible to take down every troll post immediately as I work and have a life. I'm sure crazy posts fell through the cracks.

[–]Spikygrasspod 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That makes sense. It also means it's unfair to take down a sub because of a few bad posts--surely banning subs would only be justified if the purpose of the sub is harmful in itself, or if harmful content is ubiquitous or very badly modded.

[–]Takseen 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The thread was real, there's links to an archived version of it further down in the replies here, but as a regular reader I feel that it wasn't typical of GC content.

[–]Spikygrasspod 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Real but not typical. That's good to know, thank you.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I think you are suffering from a little conformation bias.

I saw a fair few posts on GC of women saying they would abort a male fetus and they were upvoted and any comments which disagreed were down voted to oblivion. Not only that but on both GC and pinkpill you'd see comments under unrelated posts saying stuff like "and this is why I'll never be ashamed to say I'd abort a male fetus. It makes me mad how they all got pissed off when that post got shared that time. We were right." Then you have other separatist posts on pp and bp saying "women can't moan about how men treat them when they continue to house them in their wombs and increase the population of rapists."

I really don't think you could of missed all this stuff unless you were being purposely blind to it.

There is a big problem with separatists trying to create a purity spiral which will exclude most women and turn GC into a ideological cult. Their stuff doesn't get either downvoted or reported because people just upvote on "men bad" most of the time.

[–]DarthVelma 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Given the millions of missing women and girls in this world due to aborting female fetuses, female infanticide, and femicide generally that most people don't seem to give one tiny shit about...I don't see why a handful of radical feminists not wanting to have male children is treated like the world's greatest crime.

[–]Spikygrasspod 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think there are two things here. Firstly, someone personally not wanting a child of a certain sex (I think this is sexism, and is somewhat morally objectionable, but I also think that bodily autonomy simply trumps other values in this case). This isn't a crime, though it certainly does give fuel to people who say feminists hate men. I daresay they would say this regardless of what we write about, however.

The second thing is calling for, attempting, or legislating in a way that allows for a systematic reduction of one sex. The latter seems relevantly similar to genocide, in my view. I do consider it a major moral outrage this this is happening to girls in some parts of the world, and I would strenuously object to any suggestions that the same thing be done to boys.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Even if some GC people are hardcore, I don't see them as nearly as vitriolic as the misogynistic set. I have yet to hear about a GC woman going on a shooting spree in a men's gym.

[–]Spikygrasspod 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We do seem to be held to a higher standard, don't we? And I do suspect there are some people who go looking for the most radical views, then use these to characterise all of us.

[–]Moonwalker777 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes I do remember seeing this from time to time. I think that it’s a classy case of fighting fire with fire, but MRA’s were making it seem like this was what the sub was centred around

[–]Spikygrasspod 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am hardly being purposefully blind, I came here to ask. I think it's more likely you were on GC for longer than me.

The tendency toward ideological conformity is a good reason to get off the internet every once in a while, I guess.

[–]Cass 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't remember if I ever saw something like that personally, but I definitely saw plenty of "all men are rapists/pedos". Also shoeonhead has a video about it and I don't think she fabricated it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOZ5ZwhduXU&t=321s

Edit: here is the archived link she reads from: https://web.archive.org/web/20190810084539/https://old.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/co6mxp/i_dont_want_a_baby_boy/?sort=controversial if it was trolls brigading the upvotes wouldn't look like that. Also troll posts would be removed.

[–]Spikygrasspod 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you. The link is to a post that is a very personal description of one woman's feelings about childbearing, and in no way a call to abort male foetuses. One comment promotes the abortion of males, and the first few commenters push back on that. This doesn't really suggest to me that extremism is the norm.