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[–]jelliknight 43 insightful - 1 fun43 insightful - 0 fun44 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What's really sad is that one day one each of those people are going to have an experience - the young men will see a man in a dress and lipstick follow their young daughter into a bathroom, or the women will ask for a female doctor and be presented with a bearded man, and it will feel terribly wrong, but they won't have the language to articulate why and they will be taught to hate themselves for even feeling that way.

You're right about 1984. I've also been reading a book about the origins of heresy in Christianity in the middle ages. It wasn't enough to say that jesus is the son of god, or that jesus is god as a part of the holy trinity, you had to manage to believe and articulate BOTH mutually contradictory positions at the same time, otherwise you're a heretic and you'll be killed. Just the same as we're now being told to profess a belief that transwomen are female, except without female bodies and talking about female bodies is exclusionary because it upsets the female people who have the opposite sex of body. It's not about stereotypes, but don't you dare call them by their 'man' name because it will be so destabilizing they might kill themselves and so on. We must profess to believe all these contradictory things at the same time and believe that each of them in an absolute truth.

The thing about lies and truths; lies have to be repeated constantly while the truth only has to be spoken once to be known. This is why they will shout "TRANSWOMEN ARE WOMEN! TRANSWOMEN ARE WOMEN! TRANSWOMEN ARE WOMEN!" but have a total breakdown when someone says "that's literally the only thing a 'transwoman' can't be. by the basic definitions of those words." Speaking the truth just once shatters the illusion. That's why you will never find a case of a GC person who came to believe that 'gender identity' is a real innate thing, while /r/gendercritical had literally tens of thousands of people who stopped believing in gender identity.

Don't lose hope though, you may have done a lot more for those people than you think. Many, many times I've had someone vehemently disagree with me, then think about what i said later on, google the points, and come back a few weeks later to tell me they'd totally changed their view.

[–]cloudrabbit 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I've also been reading a book about the origins of heresy in Christianity in the middle ages

What book?

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    [–]Shinjin_Nana 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    origins of heresy in Christianity

    Just a guess but 'Origin of Heresy' by Robert Royalty? or A History of Medieval Heresy and Inquisition by Jennifer Kopalcoff Deane?

    If I'm wrong I'd like to know, too. 8D