GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom?

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[–]Juniperius 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

people shouldn't be limited by their sex

This is our goal too. People shouldn't be limited by their sex. Women can take on whatever jobs, lovers, social roles, clothing, whatever, doesn't matter, none of it is forbidden to women. Same with men. None of your behaviors, personality traits, aesthetics, preferences, whatever, are wrong for a man to have/want/do/be. No one should be limited by their sex.

And we should have measures in place to make sure that people aren't limited by their sex- just like how we have accessibility and accomodations to help people with disabilities not be limited by them, which are not open to people without those disabilities, we also have accomodations and other measures in place to make sure people aren't limited by their sex. You going into a women's bathroom is like an able person parking in a disabled parking spot. The disabled parking spot is not to limit you, it is to prevent someone else from being limited by a disability you don't have. The women's restroom is not to limit you, it is an accommodation for people who would otherwise be excluded from society -look up how girls in some parts of the world are not able to go to school during their periods if you don't get why this is necessary.

Note that we don't allow accommodations for one group to get in another group's way. For example, we might add a sign language interpreter or captions to accommodate deaf people, but we don't require things to be only in sign language, since that would harm blind people. Similarly, I think you should have some sort of accommodations for your mental illness that makes you reject your sex, but it certainly should not interfere with the accommodations that make it possible for women to take part in society.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

This is our goal too. People shouldn't be limited by their sex. Women can take on whatever jobs, lovers, social roles, clothing, whatever, doesn't matter, none of it is forbidden to women. Same with men. None of your behaviors, personality traits, aesthetics, preferences, whatever, are wrong for a man to have/want/do/be. No one should be limited by their sex.

I agree with all of this <3 none of my personality would be wrong for men to have, I'm just not one of them.

by a disability you don't have

Being a woman is not a disability but in that example I would only be using it after I had also made myself no longer able.

accommodation for people who would otherwise be excluded from society

No like I get why it's necessary but don't trans women also fall into this category?

Similarly, I think you should have some sort of accommodations for your mental illness that makes you reject your sex

Tbh the only one I need is the chance to try and live a normal life without letting other people know about that. It's hard if it were illegal for me to do that in certain situations. Like I've changed my ID because otherwise it's kinda immediately obvious whenever I buy alcohol or rent an apartment. I know GC ppl who want to make changing sex on IDs illegal

[–]Juniperius 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

by a disability you don't have

Being a woman is not a disability but in that example I would only be using it after I had also made myself no longer able.

I didn't say that being a woman is a disability, but in a certain sense you could call maleness and femaleness each a disability in one area coupled with a superpower in another area.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What's the "superpower" supposed to be for male people

[–]Juniperius 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Super strength and speed, of course. Compared to a woman of exactly the same height and weight and level of general health, a man is absurdly strong. Add that to the fact that men are on average 5 inches taller and proportionally heavier.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It doesn't sound like a superpower to me it sounds like a way to be obselete in a modern society where that strength is not required. It sounds like a reason that some people with that bully others. I never wanted to be strong or tall, who would want to be a caveman?

[–]Juniperius 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Lots of people. Obviously. As evidenced by everything from Superman to Buffy the vampire slayer to billions of dollars spent on sports leagues around the world to the existence of gyms, weightlifting supplements and videos, personal coaches, and an entire aisle in Target of exercise equipment. You really don't notice anything in the world except yourself, do you?

I myself am trying to get stronger right now. I used to be in quite good shape before I had a period of chronic illness. When I was at the gym doing overhead presses or whatever, I would notice that my shoulders looked good rather than my belly looked bad, which was very helpful for my self esteem since I'm kind of on the little teapot side. Also, I've just picked up an evening job taking freight off of trucks, and while it's true that we have pallet jacks for the really heavy stuff, almost everything on that semi we pick up with our hands and put on carts, and four hours of that is pretty tiring.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No like I don't think there's anything wrong with that and that's awesome for you! it was just always a source of distress for me personally and I can't really understand the mindset