Calls for trans elimination

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[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Glad there is some activity! Nice to see the Derrple came by!

Wanting fewer people to be trans seems like a good thing. I just feel like being trans isn’t the best situation and if someone has the choice not to be, they should do that. That was how I interpreted it. The numbers of trans people have just exploded in the last decade or so and it’s hard to believe that is just something happening naturally, especially with social media playing the role it does.

I feel like she was very empathetic in the clip and not at all against people like me. I wonder how many people who are freaking out didn’t watch it…

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Hi!

Wanting fewer people to be trans seems like a good thing.

No, it's not. We have a right to be trans and transition, I'm done thinking being trans is a miserable or negative situation, it isn't.

She called all of us, happily transitioned or not, detransitioned or not, a problem to a sane world. Idk how you can possibly spin that.

The numbers of trans people have just exploded in the last decade or so and it’s hard to believe that is just something happening naturally, especially with social media playing the role it does.

The number of documented lgb people has gone up over time as well too. With greater access to transition comes less of a reason to stay in the closet for many. Nothing more. Even so, that should not affect whether adults can transition..

I feel like she was very empathetic in the clip

The clip fills me with fear and dread, honestly. Not to mention that just the other day Joyce reached out to Matt Walsh for potential allyship, a man who has recently said that "no one should be able to transition":

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1533612406525546497?t=2FOSKQ4V8_Fh31v-3ojq0Q&s=19

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Nice to see you!

No, it's not.

I feel like more people being trans has been bad. It was better imo when we just mocked us with jokes and most people thought they never met one of us. I don't want us to have the attention. I just want to quietly live like I have. Also, more people transitioning isn't good because transition isn't the best.

We have a right to be trans and transition, I'm done thinking being trans is a miserable or negative situation, it isn't.

We don't need any special rights to be trans. If HRT didn't exist I would be trying to live the same life, just maybe not as well. Obviously, it helped that hormones and surgery existed, but I don't think it's possible to take those things away. I feel if anything putting all this attention to us puts those things more at risk.

I feel like being trans in the way I am trans is negative because I can't have a baby and have to take medication forever. If you don't think that is negative, then we just disagree.

She called all of us, happily transitioned or not, detransitioned or not, a problem to a sane world. Idk how you can possibly spin that.

Maybe this is my internalized transphobia (lol), but I feel like we are a problem! I understand why she says that. The only way someone like me fits is just by being under the radar. Being trans means I don't fit otherwise and I've accepted that.

The number of documented lgb people has gone up over time as well too.

Yes, it has, but the growth in the number of trans people has just been so huge. I literally remember when it was 1/20,0000. They are all over the place now. I don't think you can possibly compare it to increasing LGB people.

With greater access to transition comes less of a reason to stay in the closet for many. Nothing more.

I feel like it you had a choice to stay in the closet, I sort of feel like you aren't trans... If you could literally fit into the world as your sex why not do that. It just seems so much easier...

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I just want to quietly live like I have

Do you want to live in fear? I want to be mostly stealth too, but the genie isn't going back into the bottle I'm afraid. I'd rather have modern recognition and protections and quietly live my life on top of that.

We don't need any special rights to be trans

I mean yeah, the right to transition should be for everyone, not just trans people, if they really want it. The right to exogenous hormones should be universal imo. And even the right to live a private life and not have your genitalia revealed to anyone who asks is not just for trans people.

I feel if anything putting all this attention to us puts those things more at risk.

I don't think hiding is a great longterm strategy. We can't rely forever on being in the shadows. We need to stand up and say that we aren't going away and that we won't let anyone take transition from us, if we want to stand a chance.

I feel like being trans in the way I am trans is negative because I can't have a baby and have to take medication forever

Less negative than doing nothing? I'd be so much more miserable without HRT. And I'm hopeful that even if I'm too old for futuristic tech to let trans women get pregnant, some young trans woman someday will be able to be a biological mother.

Maybe this is my internalized transphobia

Yes.

We are misfits, if my existence as trans is a problem for cis people, then they better deal with it. because there's nothing wrong with being who we are.

Yes, it has, but the growth in the number of trans people has just been so huge.

I think it heralds a new era of greater body modification and autonomy, so I don't really see it as a problem exactly idk.

If you could literally fit into the world as your sex why not do that. It just seems so much easier...

Cuz it kinda sucks...also I didn't know what trans people were until I was nearly an adult. Nowadays people are more likely to know transition is an option before they personally feel it's too late. The bar for them to decide to transition is thus lower.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Do you want to live in fear? I want to be mostly stealth too, but the genie isn't going back into the bottle I'm afraid. I'd rather have modern recognition and protections and quietly live my life on top of that.

I don’t feel like I have a choice totally, but I try not to think about it. Even though I don’t think there is much for fear about rights, I still wouldn’t want to be out because it would just different after that and I like being a normal woman (socially, obviously not biologically). Basic rights for me already existed prior to any of this push I feel like. 20 years ago you could still get treatment and change your identification. How is this push helping us?

I mean yeah, the right to transition should be for everyone, not just trans people, if they really want it. The right to exogenous hormones should be universal imo. And even the right to live a private life and not have your genitalia revealed to anyone who asks is not just for trans people.

Wow! That is not what I meant. I feel we need more gatekeeping, not less. People shouldn’t be getting these treatments without lots of counseling the ruling out other issues. I’m not for informed consent or self-medicating or any of that. Anyone who would go through any of this without chronic untreatable severe gender dysphoria has something else majorly wrong with them or is a creep who should be kept away from others.

I don't think hiding is a great longterm strategy. We can't rely forever on being in the shadows. We need to stand up and say that we aren't going away and that we won't let anyone take transition from us, if we want to stand a chance.

There was no talk of taking anything away from us until this push. I feel like that is the reason it is happening. If we had just kept quiet we’d still be just quietly transitioning and going on with life.

Less negative than doing nothing? I'd be so much more miserable without HRT.

Transition was very positive for me and I don’t know if I’d be alive without it, but that doesn’t mean I think it right for other people or something I would promote. It has a lot of downsides. If someone can exist with their natural body, they should do that. If they can’t, then they’ll figure that out themselves. They don’t need my permission.

if my existence as trans is a problem for cis people, then they better deal with it. because there's nothing wrong with being who we are.

I really wish I could feel this, genuinely, I wish I could see this the way you do.

I think it heralds a new era of greater body modification and autonomy, so I don't really see it as a problem exactly idk.

Oh dear… you really lose me with the trans humanism stuff.

Cuz it kinda sucks...also I didn't know what trans people were until I was nearly an adult. Nowadays people are more likely to know transition is an option before they personally feel it's too late. The bar for them to decide to transition is thus lower.

This is just so hard to I understand for me and I promise I’m not trying to be difficult... I feel like literally you do this when it is the only way you can have a functioning life, not cuz something kinda sucks. People don’t appreciate the trauma some of us experienced. It just seems so trivializing that it’s something someone could just decide to do.

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How is this push helping us?

We should be able to live openly if we wish to without being harassed or othered or monstered. Transness should be a normal and accepted part of society and it should not be seen as negative for someone to transition. I'd like the world to be such that no one loses their family because of their gender identity.

I’m not for informed consent or self-medicating or any of that. Anyone who would go through any of this without chronic untreatable severe gender dysphoria has something else majorly wrong with them or is a creep who should be kept away from others.

So you're for letting people who aren't trans decide what we should have access to, decide our dosages and how long we have to wait, then? If a million doctors came to me and told me I wasn't trans it wouldn't change me; I support people transitioning merely because they wish to

And tbh, anyone determined enough to go through with it probably is very gender dysphoric, I struggle to imagine someone with no dysphoria transitioning for the sole purpose of hurting others. And even if they did, it would just make them a bad person who's trans, their badness wouldn't reflect on all of us.

If we had just kept quiet we’d still be just quietly transitioning and going on with life.

Cope, tbh. Like I'm sorry but that's what it is, hiding under a rock hoping we can stay invisible enough to not arouse the wrath of transphobes sounds like a super depressing existence :(

If they can’t, then they’ll figure that out themselves. They don’t need my permission.

And what if they're being encouraged and pushed to accept their sex or whatever but they don't really want to? What about people who could go either way?

I really wish I could feel this, genuinely, I wish I could see this the way you do.

I'm still really ashamed of being trans so I feel that but I'm tired of feeling bad for being a misfit, I'm trying to embrace it.

Oh dear… you really lose me with the trans humanism stuff.

Ik it's kinda out there but there probably is a lot of potential in the future for people to have more control over their biology.

I feel like literally you do this when it is the only way you can have a functioning life, not cuz something kinda sucks.

That's how it was for me too, and most people who aren't dysphoric simply don't get it. They don't get how growing up knowing something is wrong, feeling out of place with the group you're supposed to be part of, etc, affects your upbringing in profound ways.

But don't you think that, for those people like us, if we had never known that it was possible to transition, we just would have kept suffering in silence? I think there's been many like that, people who have been dysphoric but had no realistic way of alleviating it so they lived never healing that sense of wrongness. And that's terrible, that's what greater trans awareness helps prevent, if we can reach those people and let them know there's hope.