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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

I said female persons whose health has been permanently damaged by regular administration of exogenous testosterone/androgens for the purpose of masculinizing them during their tweens, teens and 20s have faced, and do face, a horrible fate.

You realize there are many precautions that can be taken that can help transmasc people with this? A lot of trans guys I know take topical estradiol to prevent vaginal atrophy, it's unfortunate but helps, and have also had hysterectomies to head off potential issues there as well.

pelvic organ prolapse and early-onset dementia. As adults, female persons on long-term exogenous T for masculinization have double the risk of heart attacks and CV disease as ordinary male adults do.

I don't think any of this is worth not transitioning, personally. It's up to them and they should be aware, but we will figure out ways to deal with these issues. There are other risky actions people take that increase their CV risk, like eating badly, but we don't stop people from eating how they want, obviously.

Why are adult trans activists like you so intent on issuing diktats saying other people's minor children should be given powerful prescription drugs and artificial hormones that will impede their natural development and impair their sexual function?

Because if they're trans it's their right to take them, it's that simple. And estradiol for trans women is bioidentical now in the vast majority of cases. It's exogenously introduced, but it's the exact same hormone as is produced naturally.

large numbers of young children they have never met, never will meet, have nothing to do with and know jack shit about, are being subjected to radical experimental medical interventions to stop them from going through puberty.

If even one kid is like me and hates her body less because she was able to transition younger and not have horrible parents then it will have been worth it.

All of the people I mentioned have the ears of the people high up in medicine, psychotherapy, politics, government, "LGBTQ" lobbying, publishing and the mainstream media, social media, the insurance industry, etc who make policy and decide what treatments are appropriate for children.

Trans people finally having a say for ourselves and helping trans kids, and that's somehow problematic to you. Would you rather trans people have no voice and cis people decide for us? No lol

Over the years, Bowers has also been an outspoken, leading advocate of subjecting male children to surgical castration and penile reconfiguration whilst they are still minors.

Okay? I can see how that's logical, it would be much easier to recover from SRS with parental support.

All of whom also have had the chance to develop normal male reproductive capacity and to experience the enormous and exquisite pleasures that come from having mature male sexual function, male libido, male sexual pleasure, and male orgasms.

Okay what actually is this? Why write this? I hated anything sexual before I transitioned and I still have intimacy issues because I'm so uncomfortable with my body. There is no "exquisite" pleasure in being male nor does that at all motivate me to have others have to suffer the way I did/do. I would have done anything to avoid that grossness.

gender identity ideology say it's a good idea to follow the advice of the kinds of adult males I have mentioned in determining how best to treat young boys and girls who are distressed over sex and gender issue.

Literally the only advice you have to follow is to treat ppl with dysphoria and give them transition care.

Again, why is it so important to you and other adults like you to insure that other people's minor children get robbed of the chance to grow up physically healthy with fully developed brains and bodies, and with the capacity to enjoy full sexual function?

People do not necessarily need or desire "full sexual function". I didn't. Why are you so intent on making trans kids suffer so that people can grow up wanting sex? Ofc hormones alter people's bodies and minds but that is not a negative thing, it's someone's choice.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I’m concerned about how often you take these points about other people and deny them because it’s not applicable to you.

Like, your sex hang ups have nothing to do with the fact that children given puberty blockers like jazz Jennings will become adults who have extreme sexual dysfunctions.

You don’t care about the side effects of testosterone on girls so we should all dismiss them as acceptable.

Can you remove your own desires from a discussion about other people, and remember that other people can and will want things you are fine without?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I'm not the one who's trying to restrict what people can do. If people want something else for themselves that's fine. Trans kids deserve a choice, not to be forced to go through natal puberty. That choice is independent of any potential side effects.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Is there a reason you’re not answering this question? You went off on an absolute tangent without any actual response.

Let me ask you again, are you capable of separating your emotions and wants from other children?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Of course I am. What does that have to do with trans people's agency? As far as I'm concerned transition is a human right.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So yes or no, sexual dysfunction for others in the future matters even though you are sex repulsed?

Osteoporosis is acceptable to you so it is acceptable to everyone who uses hormone treatments?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I couldn't tell you whether it matters. You'd need to ask individual people. I've decided it's acceptable for me, if they decide it is for them too then they should be able to take hormones too.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Then why do you make these grand sweeping statements on behalf of other people that you cannot possibly know are true? Why do you dismiss things like future sexual function based solely on your personal repulsion?

You stated earlier that all children should be given hormones if requested despite surely knowing a child cannot comprehend what it means to give up their adult sexual functions, or to live with osteopenia.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Kids can do any number of other things that they cannot possibly comprehend the consequences of at the time. Driving a car, skipping school, drinking while underage, those are all decisions kids make that can greatly affect their life, right? And compared to many of those, taking hormones is pretty minor.

If you're going to try and make sure that kids who transition have considered all the possibilities, then you should also not let kids do anything else unless they've considered every possibility. And that's just totally absurd, you can't predict the future, you can only live in the present.

If someone tells me that they want to transition and they don't care about loss of sexual function then I don't need to hear more, I believe them. Why do you need to know more for this decision?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Can we really compare the voluntary removal of sexual function and skipping school or getting drunk or driving a car? I can’t see how they are comparable.

In what way do you feel skipping a day of school and the inability to experience sexual desire or pleasure in ten years time are similar?

You have made some intriguing changes in your diktats here. first you decreed the only thing to do is give any child that requests them hormones because it doesn’t matter that they may never gain sexual function as adults because you do not take issue with a lack of sexual desire/function.

You were asked why you feel you can apply those feelings to others, and now you phrase the question as though all children can and have confirmed that they do indeed consent to this, and state that I am trying to make personal medical decisions for people. On the basis that I..what? Question a line of treatments as a whole?

Even if I possessed the capacity to control someone else’s healthcare, I’m not in favour of issuing sweeping gestures like totally allowing or disallowing things.

That’s not even touching on the neurodevelopmental stuff we’re skipping over, which would all indicate that a prepubescent child does not possess the capacity to make decisions for their adult selves.