Qt/tra, how does identity form?

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[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Third spaces or women’s spaces are the only way that we can be safe. And we can’t engineer third spaces. That change can’t come from us.

Why can't that change come from you? What's preventing you and other TW from being agents of change and advocates on your own behalf? Women for generations had to fight for our rights and our spaces, and we had to build many of the the facilities TW and other males want in on now like rape refuges and DV shelters from the ground up with our own money, time and labor that we donated. Black people had to organize, campaign and demonstrate for their rights. So did people with all sorts of disabilities. Gay men during the AIDS crisis had to create organizations to provide for their health care and to lobby for the protections they needed.

What's wrong with you and other TW that other people have to do all the campaigning and hard work for you? Why is your group so exceptional and special and highfalutin that others must do the hard work for you and hand you the gains you seek on a proverbial silver platter already signed, sealed and delivered and tied in a fancy bow?

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Numbers, resources, public opinion, the fact that any such movement would be used to further marginalize us as evidence we aren’t really women. Take your pick.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Oh poor you. The TRA movement is one of the most well-funded and powerful "civil rights" movements in history. It's an astroturf movement pretending to be grass roots. And it's accomplished huge strides by stealth in a very short time. See the Denton's report. That the trans movement is a top-down one run by powerful men for the benefit of powerful men was the point that Dave Chapelle made that got the mob so riled up against him.

TW have got the entire establishment on your side. Silicon Valley and Big Tech, Hollywood, all the mainstream media, The White House, half the US state legislatures, Downing Street (see the Times of London today), Holyrood, the federal and provincial governments of Canada, the USA's Democratic Party, Big Pharma, the medical industry, UK Labour and the Lib Dems, the SNP, GLAAD, the AMA, the APA, NOW, Planned Parenthood, the ACLU, Amnesty International, the IOC, NCAA, the UN, UN Women, all the teachers unions, BLM, every major foundation, all of higher education... Prominent TW include former military men, leaders in tech and business, luminaries in the publishing world, captains of industry, heirs to great fortunes, celebrities, and many persons with dodgy pasts who've been catapulted to positions of power, influence and unassailability by declaring their identities as TW...

Previously on this thread where you showed you know zilch about the history of apartheid in South Africa, I recommended some films about the persons who brought down apartheid and the strategies, tactics and messaging they used to do so. Films that show their remarkable tenacity, bravery and political smarts. You really could benefit by learning of what they were up against and what they achieved. Even someone as full of self-pity as you can't possibly think that men who wish they were women in Western democracies in 2021 are more marginalized and have it worse than black people did in South Africa (and Namibia) during apartheid. Then again, maybe that's exactly what you'll claim.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The TRA movement is one of the most well-funded and powerful "civil rights" movements in history.

No it isn’t. Trans people have as a group essentially no resources. Dedicated trans resources (as opposed to collective lgbt resources) basically don’t exist. You’ve rolled into full secret government levels of conspiracy theory.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Idk why I can’t copy and paste links but literally on the GLAAD site they have a page that’s just a long list of trans specific resources as well as trans specific branches of lgbt resources but sure. Conspiracy theory.