Qt/tra, how does identity form?

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[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Biology said:

Males who "pass" as women, supposing any exists in the first place, don't have the same needs as actual women. For instance, hey have been socialized differently for starter and they have more chances to fight back against violent men because they are physically stronger than women.

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Transitioned trans women are physically weaker. I wish you would stop presenting that wasn’t true.

This is not true! Males who "transition" become slightly weaker compared to how they were previously, and to how they would be had they not mucked about with their hormones, but they do not come anywhere near the strength levels of female people. And they certainly don't become weaker than women.

The studies, which even TRA Joanna Harper now concedes are true, show that even after 36 months on trans-related drug treatment (high dose estrogen and the T blocker spiro), "trans women" lose only minimal amounts of muscle mass and strength.

Moreover, there are many aspects of male physiology that make males much stronger than females that aren't affected at all by TRDTs or surgeries, such as much bigger, heavier, stronger, denser, less breakable bones; larger and differently shaped feet; entirely different skeletal shape; much bigger hand size and far greater grip strength; much larger hearts and lungs relative to overall body size; less susceptablity to concussions, TBIs and fatal throat injuries from being choked; the ability to pack a punch that's 3.5 times more powerful than a blow with the arm and fist a female can deliver. Adult males have hearts that are 25-38% larger than the hearts of females of equivalent body size, which gives them huge advantages over women when it comes to fighting off a male assailant. Moreover, "transition" does not diminish the speed advantage that males have which give them a much better chance of being able to get away and run when being attacked by another male.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This is not true! Males who "transition" become slightly weaker compared to how they were previously, and to how they would be had they not mucked about with their hormones, but they do not come anywhere near the strength levels of female people. And they certainly don't become weaker than women.

I didn’t say weaker than women I said weaker than men. And substantially so.

And heart volume isnt relevant we aren’t talking about sports we are talking about being attacked by men.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Glad you're not claiming they are weaker than women. Sorry I misunderstood, but your statement didn't specify.

Now that you've acknowledged that "after transition" TW are still stronger than women, will you acknowledge that this causes them to have the upper hand, as it were, in physical contests with women - and this is turn puts women at physical risk from TW who might wish to bully, intimidate, injure or sexually assault us ?

And heart volume isnt relevant we aren’t talking about sports we are talking about being attacked by men.

What? The significantly greater heart volume that adolescent and adult males have over females gives TW enormous advantages over women when being attacked by men. Fear has huge effects on the body, affecting cardiac functions like heart rate, blood flow, blood pressure and susceptibility to the heart seizing up and stopping altogether. When people are in fear and under physical assault the heart quickens and often pounds, the skin flushes, blood drains from the head and rushes to the extremities so that it's easier to punch, hit, kick and run... When under physical attack, the 25-38% advantage that males start out with in terms of heart size and power make TW far better able than women to cope physiologically, to react quickly, to fight off their attacker and to break free and run away from him.

When under physical attack, fractions of a second can make the difference between life and death, or between being victimized and being able to hurt your assailant or get away from him. You really think that the ability to get blood to the legs, arms, feet and hands 25-38% faster in such a situation does not give males a huge leg up over females when "being attacked by men"?

Also, "when being attacked by men" all the other features that I mentioned give males a much better chance of fighting off the attack than women have. Males are bigger, with stronger, denser bones, much thicker skulls, bigger hands and feet, far greater punching and kicking power, faster twitch fibers in their muscles, and faster reflexes and response times. Males have less vulnerability to concussion and TBI than women, they are far less likely to be choked to unconsciousness or death by a man's hands, and their facial structures make them much better able to withstand the blows from a man's fists than women.

Finally, when men rape girls and women, they can impregnate us - something that will never ever happen to a TW and which no TW anywhere ever has had to spend a nanosecond of life worrying about.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Now that you've acknowledged that "after transition" TW are still stronger than women, will you acknowledge that this causes them to have the upper hand, as it were, in physical contests with women - and this is turn puts women at physical risk from TW who might wish to bully, intimidate, injure or sexually assault us ?

I’m not convinced of that though I’m also not convinced we aren’t. Enough in question that I am against out participation in sport but I am not convinced it takes place in general safety.

A larger heart won’t stop a man from killing me.