QT: Is there such a thing as a man wants to be a woman? + 10 additional questions

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[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Suicide attempts absolutely aren’t vanishingly rare.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

They are nowhere near the detransition rates, which are between 2-8%. Suicide rates are well-under 1%.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Suicide attempt rates for trans people who can’t access care have been measured at over 40 percent.

And so you have a source in 8 percent detransition? Because I’ve never seen anything over one percent.

[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Suicide attempt rates for trans people who can’t access care have been measured at over 40 percent.

Evidence please. And by evidence I mean reports from impartial health authorities and researchers based on substantiated medical records, police reports, ER visits, etc. Not self-reports made by supposedly trans people responding to anonymous online surveys done by campaign groups that put out propaganda like the Williams Institute, HRC, Trevor Project, Mermaids.

And not the anonymous National Transgender Discrimination Survey (NTDS) from 2014 that the much-contested 41% figure originally came from.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Self report surveys are accepted science. You are being unreasonable to dismiss them.

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nah, mate, self reports in anonymous online surveys pitched to certain groups for the purposes of eliciting certain answers to get particular results are not reliable "accepted science." Especially when they consist of yes/no questions, and no definitions are given that make clear distinctions between such different things as thoughts of suicide, suicidal ideation, suicidal urges, suicide plans, genuine suicide attempts, feigned suicide attempts and carried-out genuine suicide attempts.

Many people who claim in anonymous surveys that they have made suicide attempts have actually had thoughts of suicide. Or their supposed suicide attempts consisted of indulging in acts of self-harm they knew had no chance of killing them, such as taking a few extra Tylenol or ibuprofen, cutting themselves nowhere near a vein or artery.

Globally, the availability and quality of data on suicide and suicide attempts is poor.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/suicide

In some populations, actual suicides and genuine suicide attempts are under-reported. Amongst other populations, past suicide attempts are likely to be way over-reported. People answering anonymous on-line surveys lie all the time. Just as people lie in face-to-face interviewers and to telephone pollsters.

Moreover, information on actual suicides shows that there's an inverse relationship between talking about/threatening suicide and actually attempting and doing it. People who are the most serious about attempting suicide tend to keep it to themselves rather than sharing their intent with others.

Histrionic people who indulge in catastrophic thinking, are given to exaggeration, who are in denial about basic facts about their own sex and the reality of sex, who believe they are the most oppressed people on the planet, and think everyone is out to get them, are not reliable sources of information about their own life events/histories.

The most reliable source of information about suicide attempts is hospital ER records. In this regard, the most worrying trend is amongst adolescent girls - the same group being most affected by gender ideology today:

In May 2020, during the COVID-19 pandemic, ED visits for suspected suicide attempts began to increase among adolescents aged 12–17 years, especially girls. During February 21–March 20, 2021, suspected suicide attempt ED visits were 50.6% higher among girls aged 12–17 years than during the same period in 2019; among boys aged 12–17 years, suspected suicide attempt ED visits increased 3.7%.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7024e1.htm