That’s not what I meant, poor wording.

What I mean is I don’t think being trans is really about the mental aspect- at least not when it comes to the rest of society

I think anyone who sincerely attempts to "transition", regardless of what anyone thinks it means to be trans, is actually trans.

I don’t think trans= dysphoria. There are people with dysphoria who aren’t trans.

I don’t think trans = agp, there are people with agp who aren’t trans.

For all intents and purposes, it doesn’t matter what someone’s reasoning is.

They can be Laverne Cox, Blaire White, Riley Dennis, Dana Rivers or (some of) the trans people sending rape threats to feminists- they all "transitioned", they’re all trans.

And I’d currently be forced to share spaces with any and all of them (were one of them not in jail for murder- eta nvm. If I were in jail I could absolutely be forced to share space with Rivers).

If someone "transitioned" and didn’t invade other people’s spaces I’d respect them more and know they respected me. But I don’t think it makes sense to define being trans as anything other than actual physical "transition".

I don’t think that anyone who wants to "transition" but hasn’t (or doesn’t and just claims to be- like the whole umbrella thing or the non binary thing) are actually trans. If you want to "transition" and you haven’t begun that process, i wouldn’t consider You trans. I also would still have no choice about You in my spaces but that’s a different topic.

What I meant by what you quoted: it doesn’t matter what a trans person thinks it means to be trans or what their logic is to the rest of the world- if you have or are in the process of "transition" and we (gp, society) can see that you have or are at least trying/taking the steps, then we have to deal with that in some way.

If someone is not out as trans they have to deal with being "misgendered" and all of that other shit, but as soon as someone starts altering their appearance and making even the smallest steps towards it- we (gp) suddenly have to validate them and adjust or decide not to. If we see someone visibly trans, it’s expected of us to pretend for them.

If someone hasn’t taken any steps, it’s understandable why they wouldn’t receive any validation or play pretend for their sake, or at the least it’s understandable when people don’t know they were supposed to validate and play along, if that makes sense

Physical "transition" to me is the point where the rest of us get dragged into it.

If it’s still just in your head it’s all you, how have you and what has transitioned? And if nothing has "transitioned", how are you trans?

Idk I just woke up