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[–]ausernamee 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Outside of issues and laws, for me, (trans man) I've lost trust for the trans movement.

As an example of why, it is well known that any group of people defined by any neutral characteristic is going to have good people and shitty people. For a long time, feminists asked "ok, we are totally on board with your gender and we want to support your rights, but what are we going to do about the situation of a predatory intact trans woman who is more able to overpower us, rape us, impregnante us, and infect us with stds, and how are we going to gatekeep cis men from claiming trans identity.

For over a decade we have been lied to by trans women that neither of those things is an issue. We say "one single instance is too many" (such as at wi spa) and how can we ensure that this never happens. Instead of engaging with the fact that we are not willing to sacrafice one single girl or woman's safety, trans women, instead of addressing our concern, have told us "you are trying to say that all trans women are predators, but that none of that ever happens."

After over a decade of "we are willing to risk the safety and dignity of cis girls and women but lie and pretend that we aren't and gaslight you" how do you expect there to be any kind of trust between trans activists and radfems?

I'd start off trying to regain that trust by advocating for female spaces for cis women, nonbinaries, and trans men that are sex segregated, but i can't promise that trust would ever be regained. Many of us started as trans activists and were tricked by lies, so it will require a lot of repair to even begin to consider reconciliation.

My experience as a ftm trying to find community with trans mtfs is basically as follows

  1. meet fellow excluded ostracised child on the playground

  2. hit it off, declare friendship, share expereinces. finally feel like i'm understood and safe

  3. get a beat down by the other child

  4. be asked immedatly afterwards if our friendship is still good

I feel like y'all ignore that your strongest critics started on your side, and don't factor that into how betrayed we feel that we went from "women aren't perverts, so children don't have to worry about trans women since trans women are women" to "women who are worried about their kids being exposed to adult penis are perverted bigots."

It will take work within the trans community to change your image.

Most people who don't want to see penis were completely on board with respecting your gender identity. We were sympathetic to the threat of male spaces and were willing to be allies in the push for third, gender free spaces. But after we find out that wanting the very best for our trans loved ones while maintain our own boundaries is bigotry, that makes us wonder if things that we previously were on board with and had not hesitancy toward, such as that trans women are woman is just a simliar trick as when tras insisted that no trans woman ever would ever assault a child because it's outside of their gender and that no cis man ever would pretend to be trans because it's outside of his gender.

That's not the fault of trans individuals who are also lied to by trans thought leaders and don't have the facts themselves, but regardless of intent, the trust is gone for a lot of people.