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[–]circlingmyownvoid2 5 insightful - 7 fun5 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 7 fun -  (4 children)

It would take a radical chance. The gc’s are advocating for a logical extension that would essentially make our lives unlivable.

Transition being excluded from insurance and public funds would mean the vast majority of trans people would never be able to transition medically. Most of us would rather die.

We can’t use men’s facilities. They aren’t safe. Saying we should use men’s facilities is saying we should accept violence or abandon public life entirely. Third spaces are great but also don’t exist most places.

Inability to change documents leads to discrimination at minimum, not to mention the mental pain of being forced to literally carry a card that has your shameful medical history on it.

We need legal protections, we need access to transition, and we need the facilities to let us live in society. Until GC can agree with that, there’s never going to be cooperative feelings because without that they are advocating for us to not be able to live.

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Welcome back! And thank you for responding🙂

Legal protections and safe access to facilities seem reasonable, and I would think access to be able to transition is reasonable in the context of that being the most established treatment for some cases of GD at this time. Those are all really important things that I do think should be in place for trans people (I mean, everyone really, but particularly in this context). If we could have legal solutions that wouldn't infringe on anyone else's rights or space or person, while maintaining our privacy, that would be wonderful! That would actually just be nice for everyone, maybe.

If access to transition-related medicine was no longer an issue for trans people, do you think that we might turn our attention to trying to better understand and prevent the need to transition/GD altogether? I can see it going either way, but I'm curious what you think.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 7 fun2 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 7 fun -  (2 children)

I think that it’s unlikely anyone would explore dysphoria without t gw express purpose of making sure there were no more trans people honestsly. No one is going to be exploring that without an anti trans agenda. Because transition effectively treats it. So the only reason to keep digging is because you don’t like transition.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's something I got into a bit of a discussion about on r/truscum a few months ago. 'No more trans people' does sound like sort of a dark goal, and I probably would have felt similarly to you in the past about that, but wouldn't preventing dysphoria and the need to transition altogether be even better than having to experience it in the first place, or see someone else experience it?

I mean I still don't think it's very feasible nor very compassionate to do away with transition as it is until something comparable or better might become available or standard practice, but research into preventative medicine or therapy or something similar seems like a good thing to me, even if there are people who hate trans people supporting it. Do you think it might ever be worth it, even if there are people who might support it for their own nefarious reasons? Or would it be something you supported if there were no bad actors pushing for it?

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 3 insightful - 7 fun3 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

I honestly don’t know. Like I can’t envision a world where I wanted to be a cis man. I hate them and don’t trust them. I don’t want to be one. I’d love to be a natal woman, I’ll accept being a trans woman, but anything that sought to make me a cis man feels evil and wrong an a hideous level to me personally.

Not to mention I think any movement in that direction is going to be inexorably tied to enforced masculinity (or femininity for trans men) because any money with that goal isn’t going to be seeking to make gnc people, they will be seeking to manufacture gender conforming people.