All: What would it take for everyone to be friends again?

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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Men behaving themselves and not speaking over us and belittling us over the experiences we have and they claim to share.

Transwomen leaving women and women’s spaces alone and instead fighting for their own spaces.

An end to gendering every one and every thing according to the pink and blue paradigm.

An internal push from tra to stop the rampant homophobia and attempts at conversion therapy through saying a sexuality is a genital preference.

Leaving children alone.

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Maybe only some of us can and some of us just can't. It will be interesting to see what things look like in the rubble--people will move on from this fad as they do any other, but it's too bad this fad has had such far-reaching, grave consequences.

It would make sense that just being seen as human is probably the most important thing for having real human friendship, like you brought up in another comment. Maybe that should almost be the focus. What do you think?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think it’s a start, but ultimately while individuals can get along, the tra movement cannot coexist with women. It’s too fundamentally hateful of women to allow us humanity or the right to safety. Nobody can be friends with the people who oppress them and that is exactly what the men who most forcefully endorse genderism and tra ideas are.

When it’s no longer trendy there may be a chance for peace between women and transsexuals. From what I’ve seen transsexual individuals are typically uninterested in the modern gender discourse and simply wish to be left be.

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No, it really is impossible. The impossibility itself seems maybe to be what we've been living through and what's unfolding, it's at least hopefully shedding light on a much grander, longstanding problem of women not being seen or treated as equals by men. The dehumanization of women is hopefully becoming more and more apparent, it seems to be.

I'd like to think we're all slowly divvying up into our little 'groups' and trying to figure out what's going on and who is who and who everyone can trust. I guess maybe we're currently in the act of finding or befriending each other again?

I would probably still be blissfully ignorant about all this if not for quarantine cabin fever mixed with isolation mixed with the internet. Seeing all of the AGP and fetish/sexual stuff brings back really awful memories, it's really depressing and honestly terrifying seeing some of that stuff or interacting with those sorts of transwomen. At least for transsexuals with similar experiences, I don't think most of us have any desire to revisit any of that. Although I would think women aren't any more thrilled by the idea either. But at least we can suffer through it together🌈