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[–]MarkTwainiac 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

sewing, fashion, design, baking, dance, floral arrangement, romance

I had no idea that any of these were "feminine" areas, LOL. If you looked into the history of any of these areas of human interest, creativity, endeavor and industry in depth, you'd find that depicting them as areas traditionally associated mainly or exclusively with women is highly inaccurate.

The very notion of romance in the Western world was invented and promulgated by men!

https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/roman-de-la-rose#

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Roman-de-la-rose

Outside the West, the big promulgators of romance were men too. Like the guy who wrote the Kama Sutra. And the guy who built the world's most famous monument to romantic love:

https://faze.ca/taj-mahal-monumental-love-story/

https://www.tajmahal.org.uk/story.html

In the West, the poets who came up with the idea of romantic love, waxed lyrical about it and popularized it did so at a time in history when the vast majority of women couldn't read and write, and those who did attain literacy weren't allowed to write works of literature, particularly not romances.

In the Middle Ages men were more likely to be literate than women. The main reason for this was that women were usually denied an education. Even in wealthy families, it was often considered wrong to spend time and money on teaching daughters to read and write. It has been estimated that "in the later Middle Ages out of the total population 10 per cent of men and I per cent of women were literate." Most men were very hostile to the idea of women becoming literate.

Some women were allowed to read and write particularly if they joined religious orders by becoming nuns, or if they spent their formative years residing in nunneries or being tutored by nuns without becoming nuns themselves. But when women did acquire literacy, they weren't allowed to write flowery love poems the way men were. They had to confine their writings to religious and domestic matters:

Women who were nuns were the most likely to be literate. Despite the many obstacles they faced, some women learnt to read and write. Women's names appear on many documents that have survived. Some women authors also used male names.

Gradually attitudes began to change. Christine de Pizan, a very influential writer in the Middle Ages, argued that it was extremely important for mothers to arrange for their daughters to be taught how to read and write. Other important writers during this period included Marie de France and Margery Kempe.

It also became fashionable in rich families to give daughters a Book of Hours. These books contained a collection of different prayers and stories about the lives of saints and were often used to teach girls to read. Many books of hours were made for women. There is some evidence that they were sometimes given as a wedding present from a husband to his bride.

https://spartacus-educational.com/EXnormans13.htm

https://classicalpoets.org/2016/10/27/10-greatest-love-poems-ever-written/

In the modern era, particularly since the early 19th century era of Jane Austen and the Bronte sisters, women have written many of the world's great romances. But if we look at those considered to be great literature, the number written by men far outstrips the number written by men. Which include: Romeo and Juliet by Shakespeare, The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway, Women in Love by D.H. Lawrence, Anna Karenina by Leo Tolstoy, The French Lieutenant's Woman by John Fowles, The Great Gatsby by F Scott Fitzgerald, Great Expectations by Charles Dickens, Madame Bovary by Gustave Falubert, Doctor Zhivago by Boris Pasternak, A Room With A View by E.M. Forester, The English patient by by Michael Ondaatje, Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence, Love in the Time of Cholera by Gabriel García Márquez...

Looking at pop fiction, men have made their mark in the romance department there too: Love Story Erich Segal, The Notebook and Message in a Bottle by Nicholas Sparks, The World According to Garp by John Irving, The Bridges of Madison Country by Robert James Waller, The Princess Bride by William Goldman, The Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy, The Horse Whisperer by Nicholas Evans, Snow Falling on Cedars by David Guterson, Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurty...

Since the dawn of the film era, the entertainment industry has made a great deal of romance stories for the big and small screen. But wherever movies and television dramas are made - Hollywood, France, the UK, Bollywood, Japan, China, South America - the film and TV industries are and always have been dominated by men. The producers who decide what movies get made, the directors who make them, and the script writers who plot them out have always been mostly or almost entirely men.

If I have the time later, I'll come back and show you the evidence that in none of the other areas you mention - sewing, fashion, design, baking, dance, floral arrangement - has it been the case traditionally or now that women have predominated in numbers, been in control, and served as the principal inventors, innovators, movers & shakers, main influences, masterminds, choreographers, chefs, CEOs, captains of industry and leading lights.

Not because women aren't talented or haven't tried in these areas - many women have made major inroads and accomplished great things in these fields, in fact. But because in most of these areas, women were expressly excluded, or relegated to limited and lowly roles - and have faced barriers to our inclusion and achievements that have been put in place by men for the purpose of keeping us out and in subordinate positions so they can remain in charge and hog most of the credit, acclaim and limelight.

For the most part, women get to pursue and shine in these activities only when they are done in domestic settings, as hobbies or as amateur pastimes. Or, as in the case of dance, when girls' and women's participation in the corps and in leading role is absolutely necessary. But even then, through history men have been the ones running the show since forever. For real. For every Martha Graham, Agnes de Mille and Twyla Tharp there's been, there have been 10 men on the scale of George Balanchine, Sergei Diaghilev, Nijinksy, Bob Fosse, Merce Cunningham, Jerome Robbins, Paul Taylor and Alvin Ailey.

BTW, I loved the little joke you made about breathing. Thanks for the chuckle.

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I know, it's terrible 😅 Even I roll my eyes a bit at trying to 'gender' things, hopefully someone's glad I did that lest I die of embarrassment or feel forced to lock myself in my apartment so as not to bring shame to my friends and family.

I would have been more surprised if no one had broken this down and criticized it, so you saved the day--my hero! I'm routinely impressed by the amount of things you know, so thank you for taking the time to share all of that. Most of the names and titles I will have to look up, with only a few exceptions I'm a hobbyist with most things, and despite my love of language I don't feel very well-read. I'm inclined to agree that everything you said is spot on, though. (and that joke was especially for you! Glad you liked it 😁)