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[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don’t know. If it weren’t for reproduction, sexes wouldn’t exist at all. I don’t really thing there is anything intrinsic about being a female or male other then reproduction. Practically, there are lots of things about how we are that are because of that, but it’s socially created indirectly not because being a female or male makes someone a certain way. If sex didn’t exist, there’d still be all kinds of people.

Homosexual people, like myself I guess, still want to same things in life and may want to raise kids too so it’s not like straight relationships are better or more complimentary. It seems like it has a lot more to do with the individuals involved complimenting each other and loving each other, not something to do with reproduction. I feel like I can have a meaningful life even though I can never reproduce. Homosexuality isn’t useless or harmful. If our sexuality makes us feel good or makes us happy, then it’s not useless.

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I don’t know. If it weren’t for reproduction, sexes wouldn’t exist at all. I don’t really thing there is anything intrinsic about being a female or male other then reproduction. Practically, there are lots of things about how we are that are because of that, but it’s socially created indirectly not because being a female or male makes someone a certain way. If sex didn’t exist, there’d still be all kinds of people.

Maybe then it's a bit like Omina said where people may need people, or everyone inspires everyone, and men and women may need each other beyond reproduction but it is not because they are men and women.

Homosexual people, like myself I guess, still want to same things in life and may want to raise kids too so it’s not like straight relationships are better or more complimentary. It seems like it has a lot more to do with the individuals involved complimenting each other and loving each other, not something to do with reproduction. I feel like I can have a meaningful life even though I can never reproduce. Homosexuality isn’t useless or harmful. If our sexuality makes us feel good or makes us happy, then it’s not useless.

I understand having the same dreams and desires as heterosexual people, the same feelings and needs. It's a bit difficult to see the good or purpose when it seems like the majority of humanity procreates, but maybe I'm looking at things through a distorted or old-fashioned lens. Or just looking at the idea of purpose a bit too clinically.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Maybe then it's a bit like Omina said where people may need people, or everyone inspires everyone, and men and women may need each other beyond reproduction but it is not because they are men and women.

Yes, that makes sense to me.

It's a bit difficult to see the good or purpose when it seems like the majority of humanity procreates, but maybe I'm looking at things through a distorted or old-fashioned lens. Or just looking at the idea of purpose a bit too clinically.

I’m not sure if I understand. I feel like we can internalize pressure from other people about reproduction. I totally have at times. That may not be what you mean though. I don’t really think much about purpose. It seems like something we feel or believe personally and not something from evolution. It seems like a very sad way of looking at life and not kind to homosexual people or people who don’t reproduce. My sexuality is good even if it there is no evolutionary purpose. We don’t have to find one. I don’t think you are homophobic, but you seem to have some very conservative/heteronormative views.

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I’m not sure if I understand. I feel like we can internalize pressure from other people about reproduction. I totally have at times. That may not be what you mean though.

That is what I'm talking about, and I probably have myself.

I don’t really think much about purpose. It seems like something we feel or believe personally and not something from evolution. It seems like a very sad way of looking at life and not kind to homosexual people or people who don’t reproduce. My sexuality is good even if it there is no evolutionary purpose. We don’t have to find one.

I suppose it really is unkind and sad, and bleak. There's nothing comforting in thinking of things that way.

I don’t think you are homophobic, but you seem to have some very conservative/heteronormative views.

I've always thought I was open-minded and liberal, so it confuses and disappoints me I'm coming across as far from it. But it's probably obvious enough by now that I'm rather ignorant and maybe not as open-minded as I thought. Discussions like this hopefully change that at least a little.