GC & QT: Where should we draw the line between human rights and entitlement?

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You are pushing for us to be treated in rxactjy the same way as men. You pay lip service to the Idea that we could have specialized protections but argue against any of them that are actually proposed all while saying it isn’t your problem that we are hurt.

It’s the language she used. She doe if ally called for dignity privacy and safety while advocating for trans women to be denied those things.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Women, our spaces, our dignity, privacy, safety, and our rights should not ever have to be compromised for transwomen. That’s the point. You don’t want to address that because you know that TW’s wants and “needs” conflict with the rights of women.

Women don’t have to advocate for you to have anything for us to say that our rights shouldn’t be undone for your sake.

Eta- we aren’t saying TW don’t deserve housing or employment, we are saying TW shouldn’t be allowed to disrupt female rights. Stop lumping it all together and acknowledge the difference.

[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You pay lip service to the Idea that we could have specialized protections but argue against any of them that are actually proposed

Can you provide some examples of the "specialized protections" for males who ID as trans that you're fighting for that GC people argue against and are trying to thwart?

All the GC people I know totally support third spaces and special provisions such as domestic violence shelters, rape refuges, prison wings, mental health care, social supports for people who identify as trans. We also are 100% for laws that make it illegal to discriminate in employment, housing, banking and so on against people who don't conform to rigid sex stereotypes &/or reject sex stereotypes entirely - as well as those who choose to embrace a persona & way of "presenting" in the world meant to copy & perform the most extreme sex stereotypes associated with the opposite sex.

But with very few exceptions, males who identify as trans today aren't lobbying for specialized protections & provisions specific for their/your group. Most males who identify as trans are demanding an all-access pass into female spaces, sports and services - which means canceling & removing all the hard-won protections & provisions for the 51% of the population who are female that generations of women fought for.

all while saying it isn’t your problem that we are hurt.

I am sorry for the hurt that you & other males have experienced due to the attitudes & behaviors of others of your sex. But I don't get why your hurt should be a problem that's heaped on women & that women are supposed to solve. You seem to think that because you & other males have experienced hurt & unhappiness coz of your sex, girls & women are duty-bound to budge up & give over in order to try to make you feel better & safer. You come across as someone who sees female people as sub-human service animals, & who regards our not centering you & your issues in our lives and politics as cruelty.