GC & QT: Where should we draw the line between human rights and entitlement?

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

“The trans movement would have more support if they stopped stepping on everyone else.“

This. So much this.

I remember the slogan used to be “trans rights = human rights”

They don’t realize that that doesn’t mean they get everything they want no matter how many other people lose their rights to accommodate them. They also don’t realize that “human rights doesn’t equal female rights” unless you’re actually a (biological) female. It also doesn’t mean “trans rights over everybody else’s rights”. It has always baffled me that they don’t seem to understand that they are trampling on so many people’s rights. I can’t think of any other marginalized community that has fought for the ability to be invasive and force their beliefs on everyone else. Everyone else seems to just advocate for equality, trans rights activists advocate to be the exception to equality. It seems like any community that trans people attempt to associate with ends up worse off. Be it women, lgb, even the blm thing (I know blm was started by LGBT black people, but they were able to focus on black lives as a whole, until TQ didn’t feel like the focus and they destroyed the narrative and intent by turning on black lives that weren’t TQ lives). It’s like they step on everyone’s rights and everyone’s necks to get what they want, then act surprised and offended when people protest.

[–]Penultimate_Penance[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

That's a really good summation of the problem. Authoritarianism often wears the mantle of victimhood.

The trans movement reminds me of young earth creationists and other fundie religious movements who claimed that their religious freedom was being violated when they weren't being allowed to force their beliefs on the rest of society anymore. I think that is a big recurring problem with many religious and ideological movements where they forget that freedom of belief cuts both ways. The moment movements impose their personal subjective beliefs on the rest of society they become authoritarian tyrants. No ideology/belief system is immune to authoritarianism, so we always need to keep our guard up, especially if people who purport to be on our side start advocating for it.

Also the trans movement saying "trans rights = human rights" really pisses me off. They stole that directly from the women's liberation movement. Trans people's humanity has never been denied, but women's full humanity has been denied as long as we have written history and likely before that up to this very day. There are countries where women are still not allowed to own property or go out in public without being accompanied by a man then these people with their luxury belief in a gender identity barge in and claim that being called he instead of she is a denial of their humanity. It drives me absolutely batty. Trans activism at it's core is a parasitic movement.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Also the trans movement saying "trans rights = human rights" really pisses me off. They stole that directly from the women's liberation movement.

That’s their MO, as far as I can tell. They rewrite history, compare themselves to other marginalized groups who fought for rights, even when the circumstances aren’t comparable, and they parrot the arguments and slogans of actual equal rights movements. I think it’s because they know if we associate them with people who actually did have to fight for equality, most people will be more inclined to support them, because we associate them with a cause that was actually worth supporting. They have to tie themselves to lgb, and feminism, and even racial equality because their situation is so utterly unique that it can’t stand alone. Also, if they present themselves as allies to lgb, women and poc, then a lot of members of those groups/communities will feel obligated to be trans allies. It has to be a parasitic movement in order to “move” at all.

[–]MarkTwainiac 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They also don't have a clue what the term "human rights" actually means legally. Nor do they understand how and why "human rights" developed in international law.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That’s a really great point