GC: What are the definitions of male and female? How would intersex people fit into binary sex? And is calling the intersex condition a disorder (of sexual development) discriminatory towards intersex people?

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[–]adungitit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

These definitions of male and female do not include childfree people.

Uuuh, yes they do? Like they literally have the identical sexed bodies that anyone with children has. Do you think anyone who's childless magically turns into some asexual creature with no functioning genitalia and anyone with a child made their sex organs grow out through sheer willpower?

If sex is defined as reproduction, or the capability to reproduce, are childfree people sexless?

You...literally answered your own question. Childless people have the CAPABILITY to reproduce. Like you literally answered your question, and you're still not connecting the dots?

Ok, how about a test? Go find someone of the opposite sex, have penile-vaginal sex with them without protection, and then see what results from that and just how "special" your corporeal temple of genderfuckery truly is compared to people with children. Actually, don't do that, because science can tell you pretty consistently what's going to result from that and I promise you it's going to be far more predictable than "science" that bases sex on pronouns.

What about gay people and lesbians?

I would suggest the same experiment as above, and then also not to do it because of how predictable the results are going to be.

What about someone that can not produce any gametes, and has surgically removed their genitalia and gonads?

If a person amputates their legs, does that means they proved humans aren't bipedal? What if a person is born without legs? What if they're born with only one leg? If humans are defined by bipedalism, is a legless person a snake? Does this show human number of limbs is a spectrum? Does a person stop being human when they lie down and only become human when they're using their two legs? Does a person lying down lack legs, and are they consequently a new species?

Is calling the intersex condition a disorder (of sexual development) discriminatory towards intersex people?

Calling disorders of physical development disorders isn't discriminatory.

tl;dr - Developmental disorders, personal choice and destructive intervention on body parts does not change the realities of human biology and science has accounted for this ages ago.

[–]Tea_Or_Coffee[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

If a person amputates their legs, does that means they proved humans aren't bipedal? What if a person is born without legs? What if they're born with only one leg? If humans are defined by bipedalism, is a legless person a snake? Does this show human number of limbs is a spectrum? Does a person stop being human when they lie down and only become human when they're using their two legs? Does a person lying down lack legs, and are they consequently a new species?

Is a human defined by the number of legs, hands and fingers though? Are humans defined as a bipedal specie? If a human is defined as an organism with two legs, two hands and 5 fingers, why wouldn't it be correct to say someone born without a leg, or someone who amputated a leg is not a human? They don't meet the definition of human, or the requirement of which is to have exactly two legs, two hands, and 5 fingers

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is a human defined by the number of legs, hands and fingers though? Are humans defined as a bipedal specie? If a human is defined as an organism with two legs, two hands and 5 fingers, why wouldn't it be correct to say someone born without a leg, or someone who amputated a leg is not a human? They don't meet the definition of human, or the requirement of which is to have exactly two legs, two hands, and 5 fingers

Please stop with your grotesque characterization of people with various disabilities as less than and other than human.

For the umpteenth time: what is generally true of any given species is not necessarily true of each and every individual member of that species at every point of life. Human beings as a species can be said to have two legs and arms, 10 toes and 10 fingers. This applies to 99+% of human beings. But there's a small number of some human beings who for one reason or another are outside this norms. However, that does not mean they are no longer members of the species Homo sapiens.

Again, you need to study up on classification and categorization. And on the difference between descriptive and prescriptive definitions.