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We created our own space on Zulip. Ovarit would never have us, I wasn't even going to try to suggest anything take place there. If anyone thinks they've gone soft, they've made sure to let me know they don't like having me there. Same with trans subs on Reddit, I did ask them but they wouldn't have it. We're really working on the predator problem is what our group is discussing, it's not a GCdebatesQT sort of group as it's focused on our mutual views.