QT- The intersex/hermaphroditism comparisons and examples

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

It isn’t the best route for people who don’t have dysphoria. That’s why I am Dor psych evaluation before anything medical, especially for a minor. But actually dysphoric people don’t get better without transition. If they did people wouldn’t be allowed to transition, because society generally abhors our existence. If there was another way, we’d be made to do it

[–]comradeconradical 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Like I said earlier and as studies have shown, the vast majority of youth who have dysphoria outgrow it. So no, transition would not be ideal, even for those with dysphoria. Also that truth directly undermines your view that dysphoria is impossible to overcome and live with. People have survived much worse. There are other ways of treatment as well, but no one is allowing research to be done as it questions trans ideology, which we all know only terfs do /s.

Society doesn't hate you. In most cases, I think society doesn't give a damn about any of us. Sounds like you have a victim-complex, and claiming transition is the only treatment is both false and pernicious.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

As someone who has been attacked by a group and who lost a job and was homeless directly because I was trans, I’m going to go ahead and challenge your assertion that society doesn’t hate trans people.

As I understand it you are referring to a study done on young children not teens and nothing irreversible happens before then anyway. Comparing childhood development to non childhood minds is apples and oranges.

[–]comradeconradical 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Your individual experience is just that, individual. Other non-trans people have also experienced these struggles.

I'm talking teenagers, who are also minors.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Other non-trans people have also experienced these struggles.

Sure. There are a lot of different types of bigots out there. The difference is is someone says something negative about gay people or a particular race, they are decried by most of society whereas transphobia is generally just allowed.

To my knowledge there has never been a study on teenage desistance. So you appear to either be misinterpreting a study or making up a statistic.

[–]comradeconradical 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Lol are you serious? I don't know where you live, but people walk on eggshells about trans issues. People are fired for believing in sex. Trans people are afforded special privileges. The power the word transphobia has in shutting things down looks like power, not prosecution of trans. "Generally allowed" please, homosexuals are more oppressed throughout the world than trans people are, or have you not considered how places like Iran prefer a person being trans than gay or GNC? OR how women's voices are silenced in the name of trans? Are you uninformed or just ignorant?

And actually I know there is research on this, and I have heard countless voices on the topic, so observationally yes most teens and children desist. You are aware that research into transition and detransition is extremely limited due to lobbying and calls of transphobia? Which again shows the power of these claims.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I literally got fired for being trans. And couldn’t get another job in the same state. You have absolutely no concept of how we are treated. Get off anti trans message boards and talk to some trans people. See how life actually is.

homosexuals are more oppressed throughout the world than trans people are

This is not in any way true. At worst we are on the same level. In America and the UK gay people are far more accepted.

Again, the only study I know of reflect most children with dysphoria indicators didn’t transition. Young children. Not teens.

[–]comradeconradical 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Teenagers are going through intense physical and psychological growth. It is a time marked by becoming an individual, and is ripe with identity issues. It's common sense that teens go through 'phases' of identity, conforming to different subcultures and peer groups in an effort to both individualize themselves and become part of a group. This is very apparent when you look at how trans identity surges through friend groups like a social contagion, and by the massive uptick in ROGD in teenage girls, who as a rule tend to hate themselves and their bodies. Further, teenagers are also known not to have firm grasp of the long term consequences of their actions. What seems like a great idea at 15 is very apparently a horrible idea at 17, forget decades down the line. Teenagers are known to make bad decisions and to change their minds, but these decisions don't have to cost them for life.

Knowing this, doesn't it make sense not to allow minors to make permanent changes to their bodies, affecting lifelong health and fertility? Use your brain. You don't need a study to understand this. Teenagers are also minors, and as a society we must protect them.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

First I believe I bodily autonomy. Second ROGD isn’t a thing. That study ( was a joke that had no basis for its conclusion.

[–]comradeconradical 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

ROGD isnt a thing? So what about the countless accounts of it? Thanks again for not trying at all to reconcile any of your views with the potential detrimental effects on minors. The way you ignore these points always really proves your ideas /s, how you never want to acknowledge anything difficult really shows us that there's nothing to worry about in those topics /s.

Always a fun time chatting. Wish you had anything of substance to say, either as a point or in response. I'll keep dreaming.