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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Sorry for the late reply. I had a sore throat.

  1. Transphobia does not mean whatever upsets trans people. People are getting fired for saying trans women are men, trans men are women, calling trans people narcissists, delusional, fetishists, fujoshis, etc.

  2. Most of us recognize that gender is different from biological sex. We just don't believe people should be defined by their biology and biology is irrelevant outside of a medical context.

  3. Sex is assigned on our birth certificates based on observations.

  4. I fully understand I can't get the world to behave how I want.

  5. Please don't tell me I'm supporting my own oppression. You don't even get to decide how I'm opposed as a female. I have multiple marginalized identities. Not only am I female, I am Jewish and learning disabled. In my life, I was discriminated more due to being learning disabled than I was due to being female and Jewish combined. I know oppression. You don't get to tell me I'm supporting my own oppression.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

“Transphobia does not mean whatever upsets trans people.

People are getting fired for saying trans women are men”

Because it upsets trans people. There’s nothing to prove that transwomen aren’t men. Or that they are women.

“trans men are women,”

Because it upsets trans people. There’s nothing that proves that transmen aren’t women, or that they are men.

“calling trans people narcissists, delusional, fetishists, fujoshis, etc.”

Because it upsets trans people. There’s actual studies that show that narcissism is commonly found in trans people, thinking you are something you literally are not is delusional, agp is a fetish even if it doesn’t apply to all trans people, and idk what a fujoshi is but if all the other things are sometimes applicable to trans people I won’t dismiss the possibility that this last one is also

“Most of us recognize that gender is different from biological sex. We just don't believe people should be defined by their biology and biology is irrelevant outside of a medical context.”

I’m saying you should be able to believe what you want but respect that others disagree and your beliefs shouldn’t be pushed on others. Others shouldn’t have to pretend to agree. Also, there’s no reason that gender should matter more and be more protected than sex.

Sex is assigned on our birth certificates based on observations.

But you’re not going to answer the other questions? Is it observed based on fat distribution? Hair length? How soft the baby’s skin is? What are they observing and why is that what determines sex???

I fully understand I can't get the world to behave how I want.

Your comment history indicates that this is a lie

Please don't tell me I'm supporting my own oppression. You don't even get to decide how I'm opposed as a female. I have multiple marginalized identities. Not only am I female, I am Jewish and learning disabled.”

You can support the oppression of females but not of Jewish people or the disabled...

“In my life, I was discriminated more due to being learning disabled than I was due to being female and Jewish combined.”

Then no disrespect meant but this is not related to the topic of discussion. Just because you personally haven’t faced (or more likely don’t realize you’ve faced) oppression due to being female, doesn’t mean that other females are oppression free. When you advocate for forcing males into female categories and spaces (mad rights, and sexuality, etc) you absolutely advocate for female oppression. Whether you see it or not. Unless you support female equality and the ability for females to have their own spaces, sports, representation, the ability to be classed as separate from their oppressors (males) you’re supporting the downfall of the women’s rights movement.

“I know oppression.”

But apparently not female oppression? So what relevance does this have to the topic? It seems like you think since you haven’t faced the same types of oppression that many females are speaking out against, you are blind to it. And rather than listen to what females who don’t think like you say, you dismiss us and cling to your belief while telling us that if we don’t like it we can form our own communities away from everyone else, only work in specific places, and be subjected to ridicule and dismissal if we refuse to conform to your beliefs. Sounds like you do know oppression. But don’t seem to realize that people who support oppression often know exactly what oppression is. Your knowledge of oppression doesn’t automatically mean that your beliefs don’t reinforce and support it.

“You don't get to tell me I'm supporting my own oppression”

Not just yours, all females.

Eta- considering how much you push to ostracize and silence anyone who doesn’t think like you and refuses to play along, sounds like you support the oppression of anyone, male or female, who doesn’t think like you do.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

People are getting fired for saying trans women are men”

Because it upsets trans people. There’s nothing to prove that transwomen aren’t men. Or that they are women.

“trans men are women,”

Because it upsets trans people. There’s nothing that proves that transmen aren’t women, or that they are men.

There is nothing to prove trans women are men and trams men are women.

There’s actual studies that show that narcissism is commonly found in trans people,

Link to them.

thinking you are something you literally are not is delusional

Being transgender is essentially being mentally a different sex. If you're a trans man, you're a man in a women's body, but you're still a man. That's not delusional.

idk what a fujoshi is

It's a slur GC uses for gay trans men.

You can support the oppression of females but not of Jewish people or the disabled...

I do not support the oppression of females. I have been discriminated for being female and Jewish, just not as much as I was discriminated for being disabled. But you will never hear me say women should not be allowed to enter certain professions, or women should be paid less than men, or women should be sexually harassed. I even voted for female presidential candidates.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is nothing to prove trans women are men and trams men are women.

That is the only thing that is provable, that they are men biologically and socially. There no way to prove someone's feelings and what they believe, except by asking them, and people can answer anything. And how do they know that what they think women are feel is what women are feel?

trams

Trams are not humans. Funny typo.