GC: I believe if features are sexed, and secondary sex characteristics are innate to a man or a woman, then sex is determined by secondary sex characteristics and the gender essentialism that tras believe in is true. If you disagree, then tell me your reasons

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[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Right, sexual dimorphism in humans, whilst not as obvious as being brightly coloured or 45x larger than the other sex, is males typically having larger bones, coarser body and/or facial hair, lack of breasts, a more narrow pelvis, etc and females having a higher fat distribution, a wider pelvis, lower muscle density, developed breasts etc.

This does not mean males cannot have a high fat distribution or that women cannot have a hairy back. It means that certain features are more typical to the respective sex.

How do they not fit? It does not say women are always smooth and hairless and men are all as hairy as an ape. It means males typically have more, coarser body hair. That’s it.

These features do not define ones sex, they are dictated by ones sex. I’ve already explained what sex is and it is absolutely not bimodal. A man with breasts does not develop the ability to produce ova so his sex does not change.

[–]MissDimples 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Yes, I am not disagreeing with you. I did not say sex is bimodal, I said what tras get wrong is sex is not bimodal, it's "sexual dimorphism" that is bimodal, and they are confusing the two.

As long as "sexual dimorphism" does not mean "men are always tall, always don't have smooth skin, always have a low saturation of fat, always have larger bones, etc", or "women are always short, always have a wider pelvis, always have a low muscle density, always have a high saturation of fat, always have less body and facial hair, etc", and only means typically there are some characteristics we see in women or men, but that these characteristics are not essences of or innate to men or women and are shared between the two sexes, then that's true and fine.

What I meant is gender essentialists or biological essentialists take "sexual dimorphism" to mean men or women always look like xyz or abc, and that's not true.

So yeah. No disagreement here. :))

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Nobody here has ever even insinuated that dimorphism means anything like that. So now you agree that we are not gender essentialists and we don’t actually argue it?

Can you pick a lane lmao

[–]MissDimples 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I thought that's what you were arguing, because that's what gender essentialists or biological essentialists argue. But realized later you were not arguing that. It was a misunderstanding. And I apologize if it was of any inconvenience to you.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Maybe instead of accusing people of arguing things they don’t, actually read what’s being said to you without automatically being combative and dismissive.

[–]MissDimples 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Okay 😊

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Great! Hey happy holidays, for real.

[–]MissDimples 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you! I wish you a happy and wonderful holiday too! 🥳